Ducati Monster 600-620 with carbs and Ignitech - Tooth Count?

[Dirty Duc]

If your sensor looks like this:


Then it is a hall effect sensor just like the one I have wired like this:
https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/107912333567211282838/6611621913105516962

On the sensor side, black is 12v in, I think brown is sense wire and ground is white (through the ECU in my case). There's also a shield wire in mine.

Sorry you have to click through to see my picture, I haven't gotten around to buying a smugmug account yet.

[tastybaklava]

Hmmm...

I managed to get the plug that the sensor plugs into, with a bit of wire left on it, so I've pulled that back to reveal the wire colours there. It's got a brown wire and a white wire, with the copper inside the black wire soldered to the shield around the brown and white wires.
By what you've said, it sounds like you have the three colours and an additional shield wire.
I'm going to give your wiring a shot though.

[tastybaklava]

Tried out Dirty Duc's wiring setup and got the same result.
I'm getting to the end of my rope with this thing!

[greenmonster]

Is your Ignitech a Hall sensor one?

"An input is ready for standard inductive pickup sensors used on motorbikes as CKPS. On request, we can also deliver inputs
for HALL type sensors."
http://www.ignitech.cz/en/vyrobky/tcip/manual_sparker_tcip4_v88_en.pdf

[Speeddog]

I think we're headed down a rabbit hole on this.

The OEM Ducati sensor is *not* a Hall sensor.

Hall sensors trigger on a magnet.
The OEM Duc sensors trigger on presence/absence of steel in proximity to the sensor tip.

[tastybaklava]

Thanks Speeddog - I'd been told the same locally: it's not a hall effect.

Regardless of the ways I've wired it, when the bike 'detects' the sensor, it still gives me these outlandish degree readings.

I've wired it a number of ways and still have had no success.

[tastybaklava]

I'm wondering if maybe the regulator is causing the problem, but it doesn't seem like it would.
I've still got the original single phase reg from the 600 carb motor, while this motor runs a 3 phase stator, so one of the yellow wires has remained unplugged.
Given that it's got more than enough power to crank and fire spark, it leans me more towards the reg not being the issue.
Anyone care to weigh in?

[tastybaklava]

...anyone?

[Speeddog]

Mmmm, not sure about that.

I've run the opposite configuration.

[tastybaklava]

Yeah, I doubt it's the reg, but I've tried just about everything.

I tested it again today, cranking and watching the readings. It seems as though one of the outputs is giving a sensible reading consistently, while the other isn't. Eg: one is staying consistently under 30 degrees while the other spits out figures like 700, 400, 1500ish

There's gotta be something in the settings/configuration, but I just cannot pinpoint it.

[buzzer]

I have just bought an ignitech ignition directly off them, it came with the unit pre programmed for my multistrada which has a sensor like yours...  At the moment I cant look at the configuration, but here are a couple of pictures of how its wired.  it cam with the correct plug on it.  both blue wires go to the same pin in the units connection block

I also have the map that ignitech sent me which I am happy to forward on if you pm me your email address!

[greenmonster]

 

[tastybaklava]

Thanks Buzzer! I did just get an email last week from the place where I bought the Ignitech from, so there will be an update shortly, but I don't want to jump the gun just yet.

Green Monster - you trying to get your post count up or something mate?

[koko64]

He's a genuinely helpful long term member who asked Buzzer to help you out on another thread. This is a community here.

[greenmonster]

Tryin to help: http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=76771.15

Buzzer chimed in.

I`ll stop if it bothers you.