Ducati Monster Forum

powered by:

March 28, 2024, 03:18:32 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Tapatalk users...click me
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  



Pages: [1] 2   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: M750 budget suspension build, can it be done for $500?  (Read 3810 times)
l88m22vette
New Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 44


« on: March 26, 2020, 08:09:10 AM »

I've been researching stuff this winter and would like to get some input on how to approach a trellis suspension update on the cheap. I have front non-adjust Showas and the typical Sachs rear, I weigh 225lbs and am a new rider so this is for street only, and I'm fine with doing classifieds trolling and a little cobbling together. The biggest issue I've run into is that a lot of places don't make anything for early Monsters anymore, so although there is A TON of tech information and recommendations the threads tend to be outdated because the parts are NLA.

So, where does that leave me, when I don't want to pony up for a $1200+ suspension for my $2000 bike? I bought the bike because it was a deal and although I'm fine with putting some money into it I'm trying to be realistic. I'm sure there is an Ohlins or equivalent setup out there that'd sell for dirt-cheap just to clear warehouse space but that's an outlier, if those parts pop up I'm all over them. I'd like to keep the handlebar w/risers I already have, if only because clip-ons are another expense and I'm a noob . Here is what I've been able to figure out:

v1
- Race-Tech front and rear springs (linear?), 7wt oil, not sure of height
Front - .90 is recommended, do I go softer at .85 or stick or .90?
.85kg S3627085
.90kg S3627090
Rear - 11.2 recommended, however there are only 10.7 and 11.6 as choices, I assume 10.7 for a more compliant ride.
10.7kg 5818107
11.6kg 5818116

v2
- OEM plus approach, source stuff that is either a bolt-in or relatively easily compatible (swap in a new lower triple off eBay for an extra $30? no problem).
Front - M900 or similar adjustable front forks, or cartridges for the Showas; I'm probably out of my price range and level of experience with any real front fork work
Rear - ST2, 851/888, or some other OEM part that would receive a new rear spring; I like the idea of adjustment but the ST2's travel is 305mm vs 330mm, so basically a 1" loss and I'd probably need longer heim joints for the suspension hoop, and older Ducati shocks are under $100 all day.

v3
- v2 along with new valves like Race Tech Golds, a steering stabilizer (I wish Scott's still made the old Monster adapter!), and an upgrade to dual front brakes

v3 sounds awesome but at that point just spend the money on Ohlins or whatever, which circles around to no longer being budget. I like the idea of one-and-done rather that playing with 5 different setups, so if it makes sense to budget another couple hundred bucks to really cover things I get it. Thanks!


Logged

2000 Monster 750, yellow/bronze, first bike!
greenohawk69
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 685



« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2020, 08:32:23 AM »

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Educatimonsterforum%2Eorg%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D77755%2E0&share_tid=77755&share_fid=36332&share_type=t&link_source=app

Potential help/direction where you want to go.
Logged

"An enlightened people, and an energetic public opinion... will control and enchain the aristocratic spirit of the government." --Thomas Jefferson to Chevalier de Ouis, 1814

There are 4 boxes to be used in the defense of liberty:  Soap, Ballot, Jury and Ammo.  Please use in this order.  -- Ed Howdershelt
koko64
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15649


« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2020, 10:16:29 AM »

Does that link work for you? It doesn't for me.

It might be a good exercise to call your local suspension pro and ask what they can do for 500. Some may be able to do minor valve mods without buying expensive kits. For example, my guy put a Showa valve in a Sachs shock.

Fitting the correct springs is a good foundation. Maybe replacing the rear spring yourself and armed with the rest of the money seeing a suspension pro. You'll save a few bucks removing and replacing the forks yourself.  If you do, mark their position and measure it all up before removal.

There are suspension pros here who will chime in with more specific advice.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2020, 10:18:12 AM by koko64 » Logged

2015 Scrambler 800
2004 GSXR 750
ducpainter
The Often Hated
Flounder-Administrator
Post Whore
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 78189


DILLIGAF


« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2020, 10:28:59 AM »

It works for me, but try this... http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=77755.0
Logged

"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


koko64
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15649


« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2020, 12:29:23 PM »

Thanks, thats spot on. waytogo

Suspension stuff on pages 8 & 9.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2020, 12:32:25 PM by koko64 » Logged

2015 Scrambler 800
2004 GSXR 750
l88m22vette
New Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 44


« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2020, 05:03:36 PM »

Good call, I've been watching Pinion's thread and have already bought some stuff from him, those cartridges are right on the edge of the budget (especially with used adjustable forks going for $250+)

Thanks for the comments on calling a few suspension places, I did plan an alignment and whatever if I get new tires this year. Forgot to mention, I planned on Michelin Road tires, the Diablo III sounds awesome but also not really right for me.
Logged

2000 Monster 750, yellow/bronze, first bike!
ducpainter
The Often Hated
Flounder-Administrator
Post Whore
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 78189


DILLIGAF


« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2020, 02:26:05 AM »

Used stock adjustable forks aren't anywhere near as good as what Pinion built.

They still use a junk Showa valve.
Logged

"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


Ddan
Some of my best friends are whores
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 9079



« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2020, 12:49:01 PM »

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=78042.0
Logged

2000 Monster 900Sie, a few changes
1992 900 SS, currently a pile of parts.  Now running
                    flogged successfully  NHMS  12 customized.  Twice.   T3 too. 
Ducati Monster Forum at
www.ducatimonsterforum.org
l88m22vette
New Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 44


« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2020, 01:39:23 PM »

I get that, but he started with OEMs so I'd have to get a set of those to start
Logged

2000 Monster 750, yellow/bronze, first bike!
ducpainter
The Often Hated
Flounder-Administrator
Post Whore
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 78189


DILLIGAF


« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2020, 04:04:15 AM »

I get that, but he started with OEMs so I'd have to get a set of those to start
What's wrong with the set that Dan posted?

Already has the gold valve.
Logged

"Once you accept that a child on the autistic spectrum experiences the world in
 a completely different way than you, you will be open to understand how that
 perspective
    is even more amazing than yours."
    To realize the value of nine  months:
    Ask a mother who gave birth to a stillborn.
"Don't piss off old people The older we get, the less 'Life in Prison' is a deterrent.”


koko64
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15649


« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2020, 08:04:44 AM »

Most the work (and $$$) has been done. Worth checking out.
Logged

2015 Scrambler 800
2004 GSXR 750
koko64
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15649


« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2020, 08:11:11 AM »

2000 M750 model. Checking fork compatibility. Got a pic of your front end? Hollow axel with a nut on the lhs or solid axel? Front caliper bolts 40mm or 65mm apart?
Logged

2015 Scrambler 800
2004 GSXR 750
Howie
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 16806



« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2020, 08:17:54 AM »

Assuming the fork springs are within range for your weight Dan's will do what you want.  As said, the rebound circuit sucks but the gold valve and linear spring make a huge difference.  On the street, IMO, the valving would be good for anywhere.  Anything better will put you way over budget.
Logged
koko64
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 15649


« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2020, 08:23:07 AM »

Dan's are sprung for a 200 pounder and vette is 225. A spring or two off, but still much better than stock. I was concerned about the '99-2000 year model overlap thing.
Logged

2015 Scrambler 800
2004 GSXR 750
Howie
Post Whore
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 16806



« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2020, 08:30:57 AM »

Dan's are sprung for a 200 pounder and vette is 225. A spring or two off, but still much better than stock. I was concerned about the '99-2000 year model overlap thing.

Yep, you asked the perfect question.  2000 should be hollow axle 65mm. but with Ducati you never know and most anything is better than that progressive spring and harsh high speed valve.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Simple Audio Video Embedder
Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
SimplePortal 2.1.1