"Bernard worthy" turn signals?

[greenohawk69]

It's a very bright tailight with integrated turn signals. Even at startup, the tailight goes through a lighting sequence. When you brake, it lights up and flashes three times. If in stop and go traffic, the tailight flashes like a regular brake light. This was done IIRC by Bernard so it was not annoying to the drivers behind you. The turn signals are yellow and can be seen well even in the daytime - that is what a couple of friends have said and what I could tell standing behind it. The 490 HSi was pricey, but is worth it to me. Only negative I had was it was not a direct fit on my 97 M900 and had to do some cutting and test fitments with "L" brackets. I forgot what year it was supposed to be a direct fit and no customizing was needed.

[1BADGT4]

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[stopintime]

Heard from Bernard a few days ago  

He's too busy to do this now and probably will be for a long time, but I will ask him later, maybe anually, to see if the genious lab itch is back  

In the meantime I will use a light with an ok reflector in it and a 23 watt (you'd think it's twice as bright as a 10 watt, but it's not)  1156 BA15S bulb. Those are rated ~4-500 lumens and I've only seen one LED tower with a higher rating, and it was huge. Anyway, the point is the reflector. We'll see.

[stopintime]

Came up behind a Nine T with a pointy dual LED turn signal that was just as bright as I imagined LEDs could and should be. Much much much more visible than any other I've seen in action.

Since Nine T owners probably are even more brand loyal than most Ducati poseurs, I took a look in the original accessories catalog (which is huge) and found similarly looking ones at ~€40 a piece. Looks quite like the Kellerman Rhombus S Extreme, but that light is twice as expensive (€70).

So, thankfully, motorcycle LEDs are getting there   (I officially hate that most of them require resistors)


EDIT: price misunderstood at first.

[Speeddog]

Got a link to those blinkers?

If they've got your attention on good visibility, function is sorted as I'm concerned.

It's the smartypants ECUs that have dead bulb sensing circuitry that causes the problems.
They then requires resistors to avoid triggering that circuitry with the low current demand of LEDs.
We just need lots and lots of LEDs to get the current up higher! 

[stopintime]

If I go for LEDs, I might do the fast blinking delete "snip" in the cluster.

Besides the Multi and HM SP hand guard turn signals - which are very visible, I've never seen anything close to what I saw today. I was just ~10 meters behind, but when he turned I stopped and followed the light down the street. Daylight. Stupid that I didn't follow and ask., but I felt sure it had to be OEM.

https://www.kfm-motorraeder.de/cms/en/genuine-spare-parts/bmw-spare-parts?itemid=63138522499
The part number is more important than this particular shop.


EDIT: today is edit day...  I'm not sure these are the same as I saw.

[Speeddog]

Those look like nice units.

One thing that strikes me as very nice, the wires are decent sized, appropriate on a moto.

So much LED stuff has wire appropriate for drones or desktop games or the like, no ruggedness at all.

[stopintime]

I'll try the standard and nicer looking (?) ones first - video upcoming. Next is blowing the first Rizoma signal I can film out of the water - daylight competition, not 3 feet away in a dark garage.

If that doesn't satisfy me, I'll go with the BMW signals - even though their shape is wrong for a Monster (?)

 

[Speeddog]

I'm hoping that BMW is following the sensible approach of having an outside company manufacture the turn signals.

This may provide us with the path to *their* door, where we may find other signals more suited to a Monster.

[stopintime]

I'm hoping that BMW is following the sensible approach of having an outside company manufacture the turn signals.

This may provide us with the path to *their* door, where we may find other signals more suited to a Monster.

I will ask a local BMW dealer - hopefully they have one I can look at and confirm what I saw. Maybe they know who makes them. Kellerman is the closest I can find so far.

[stopintime]

This manufacturer (bragging about their 1,000 lumens lights)(compared to ~400 from an incandescent bulb). Looks marginally better to my eye....


Another example: Clearly better than an average LED



, but none of these count - video in bright daylight at least 100 feet away, thanks!

[Derekv]

I have the Vizi-Tec tail light.  Is is very, very good.  Added the m blaze turn signals from moto-gadget. Low profile and very bright.  Adds visibility from a wider angle.  Very happy with this set up.

Derek V

[stopintime]

Call off the search  

I visited a dealer today. Many of the bikes there had these lights and they demonstrated them for me.

These BMW turn signals are it! Some LED turn signals are bright only up close, some not even then, but these are the best. Maybe Kellerman can match them, but I have not seen Kellemans in action. Best because they are the most powerful LED and because they have a very well designed spreading lens.

I hope Bernard can develop a similar turn signal, but now the reason is just cosmetic. The BMW light is borderline ugly - medium long and slowly tapering / pointy. The designer (?) should be fired and/or get a good beating.