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Wzed
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Re: S2r rear sets options
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Reply #15 on:
April 30, 2016, 04:17:17 PM »
I have CNC Racing, and I love them. I think their design really compliments the S-R bikes:
http://cncracing.us/prodDetail.asp?ID=9
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S21FOLGORE
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Re: S2r rear sets options
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May 01, 2016, 01:53:06 AM »
Just to clarify about the Gilles Rear set design flaw.
Take a look at the Ducati’s official parts book.
http://www.ducati-motorcycle-parts-online.com/media/downloads/2005/Monster/MS4R_Eu_2005.pdf
Go to the page 134, and look at the diagram.
Then, take a look at Rizoma rear set kit diagram. (example of properly designed kit)
http://www.mikemo.org/bikes/manuals/PE202.pdf
And then, take a look at Gilles Manual, as of 2016.
http://www.gillestooling.de/uploads/manual/VCR_D02_manual.pdf
Yes, it is still the same design as back in 2009, (around the hole where the pivot bolt (also acts as foot peg bracket mounting bolt) goes in, as you can see, there's nothing. The bolt directly goes on foot peg bracket) which WILL restrict the rear swing arm movement, which will spoil your bike’s handling, and in a long run, will cause wear / damage to the pivot.
Also, the “wider range of adjustability” is a moot point, because of the shifter lever design, the “actually usable” range is limited. (In other words, if you move the foot peg more than certain amount, you will end up shift lever too high / too low, the heel of the boots touching the exhaust pipe, etc.)
Most importantly (to OP), can you trust the product designed by the “engineers” who couldn’t figure out the suspension (swing arm pivot) construction? And the company who keeps selling the products with design flaw? And the supplier who would not support at all ... Are you willing to pay your hard earned money for such product?
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Duck-EZ
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Re: S2r rear sets options
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May 30, 2016, 01:50:10 PM »
Quote from: S21FOLGORE on April 29, 2016, 02:38:54 PM
Apparently, many of the after market parts companies (as well as the owners of S*R Monsters) did not know about this rather unique design of swing arm pivot / foot peg bracket mounting of the S*R bikes.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=31180.0
Old thread, but worth reading for all S*R bike owners.
(And Stopintime did great job contacting Gilles tooling directly, and let them admit their mistake.
On the other hand, I contacted OPP racing, Hard racing , which were(still are) the US vendor back then (around 2009), then got completely ignored. I have never seen Gilles / their supplier officially announced about this issue.
Other than that, their rear set is too flimsy. They do flex, under the load (rider's weight). And I weigh only 130 lb. with full gear. Go figure.
Good points, I only noticed alittle flex when i lift off the seat hard.
I was refered by HR to Gilies and was sent bushings. I guess HR's patience wore thin after a while? I was under the impression Gilles now includes these bushings standard.
You are right the proper thing would be to open the holes up and have the full depth bushings. Not sure i notice any handling issuses, maybe Im just not manhandling it enough?
I did have my rear brake master end up at its most rearward adjustment. I ordered a longer brake rod, JIC. I seem to be the only one who had this issue?
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Re: S2r rear sets options
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January 30, 2018, 03:36:06 AM »
Quote from: S21FOLGORE on May 01, 2016, 01:53:06 AM
Just to clarify about the Gilles Rear set design flaw.
Take a look at the Ducati’s official parts book.
http://www.ducati-motorcycle-parts-online.com/media/downloads/2005/Monster/MS4R_Eu_2005.pdf
Go to the page 134, and look at the diagram.
Then, take a look at Rizoma rear set kit diagram. (example of properly designed kit)
http://www.mikemo.org/bikes/manuals/PE202.pdf
And then, take a look at Gilles Manual, as of 2016.
http://www.gillestooling.de/uploads/manual/VCR_D02_manual.pdf
Yes, it is still the same design as back in 2009, (around the hole where the pivot bolt (also acts as foot peg bracket mounting bolt) goes in, as you can see, there's nothing. The bolt directly goes on foot peg bracket) which WILL restrict the rear swing arm movement, which will spoil your bike’s handling, and in a long run, will cause wear / damage to the pivot.
Also, the “wider range of adjustability” is a moot point, because of the shifter lever design, the “actually usable” range is limited. (In other words, if you move the foot peg more than certain amount, you will end up shift lever too high / too low, the heel of the boots touching the exhaust pipe, etc.)
Most importantly (to OP), can you trust the product designed by the “engineers” who couldn’t figure out the suspension (swing arm pivot) construction? And the company who keeps selling the products with design flaw? And the supplier who would not support at all ... Are you willing to pay your hard earned money for such product?
I just discovered this problem with my Gilles rearsets on my S2R1k. It gets even worse when the pivot axle begins to rust and locks solid onto the anodized aluminum of the rearsets. I was feeling a sluggish rear suspension and then began hearing loud cracking sounds from the swingarm area. I thought I was going to have to replace swingarm bearings, but after a closer look, it was obvious that the Gilles rearsets were locked solid on the pivot, causing the cracking sounds with the slightest movement of the rear suspension. Definitely a major design flaw, since the swingarm pivot rotates with the swingarm. Wish I had noticed this when I bought them. I will probably end up milling the bore out and putting some Garolite bushings in. Sucks.
Update -
I came up with a decent solution for the Gilles S2R footpeg problem. The main issue is that the exposed portion of the steel swingarm axle will rust and eventually make its way into the anodized aluminum bore of the footpeg body. I cleaned up the rust and made a 3D printed grease sleeve with two orings that will isolate the parts from exposure and keep them greased at the same time. The sleeve can rotate freely between the pegs and frame while keeping a minimal squeeze on the orings. The only downside was that the dimensions between the frame and pegs is not exactly the same on both sides, so the parts would most likely have to be made custom for each bike. Still an issue for Gilles, but at least mine should work fine for now.
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