Rossi vs. Ducati...and more spoilers

[Jester]

Between the lines, it sounds like "...blame Rossi and Burgess if it doesn't work; we're only doing what they tell us to do..."

Hasn't Rossi's biggest complaint been the lack of feel entering a turn?  How will playing with the torque/hp curve, which Preziosi says will help riders after they're leaned over, address the turn-in issue?

Preziosi washes his hands...

Rossi says he's a rider, not an engineer....


And I swore I'd just watch the racing and avoid all the soaps.......

Lately he said braking and entry feel solid, but the bike is too harsh on power delivery once you crack the throttle to get out of the corner, which equals rear spin, bike sliding, understeer, and wheelie.  He can't power through and out of corners as fast as Honda/Yamaha, hence a slow bike.  They say that's not going to fix the gap, but hopefully close it a bit.  The bike still needs chassis improvements.

[The Don]

An interesting read:

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/preziosi+press+conference

Does anyone else read those last lines like a response to Rossi's comments that started this thread in the first place?

when I read the article, I thought, is Nicky not on the team anymore?
Rossi this and Rossi that. Rossi has done jack, Nicky is putting in the hard yards and is being ignored, F#%k Ducati

[kopfjäger]

when I read the article, I thought, is Nicky not on the team anymore?
Rossi this and Rossi that. Rossi has done jack, Nicky is putting in the hard yards and is being ignored, F#%k Ducati

You won't hear Earl's son whining, he wasn't raised that way. 

[Jester]

when I read the article, I thought, is Nicky not on the team anymore?
Rossi this and Rossi that. Rossi has done jack, Nicky is putting in the hard yards and is being ignored, F#%k Ducati

No offense, but Nicky isn't exactly lighting up the lap charts either.  Who cares how hard he works or if he keeps his mouth shut..... he doesn't get results either and his only track record outside of his "consistancy" championship is the guy that puts in lots of practice laps and doesn't win jack.  Even at his peak he very rarely won anything.

Acting like Hayden should be lead input on a bike is ludicrous.  I remember when Stoner talked about Hayden when he was at Ducati.  One time he was asked if he should look at Hayden's setup, and he quickly pointed out that Hayden can't ride as fast as him, so his setup would be garbage.

Rossi may be using Hayden's setup as a baseline, but its obviously not going to close the 25-30 second gap or Rossi would already be on the pace, and Hayden would have been there as well.  Contending for 3 laps at Jerez and then falling off like a brick doesn't mean Hayden is performing.

I like Hayden, but he has never been a number one since he left AMA.  He's a number two factory guy.  That's all he ever was.  He keeps his mouth shut because he knows how precious a factory seat is and that he's lucky to still be in one.

[Raux]

uh doesn't Hayden have a championship?

and didn't he outshine Rossi almost each race and practice so far this year.

[kopfjäger]

uh doesn't Hayden have a championship?

and didn't he outshine Rossi almost each race and practice so far this year.

Of course he did, but folks won't ever give him credit for his hard work, they'd rather rally around a whiner. 

[The Don]

No offense, but Nicky isn't exactly lighting up the lap charts either.  Who cares how hard he works or if he keeps his mouth shut..... he doesn't get results either and his only track record outside of his "consistancy" championship is the guy that puts in lots of practice laps and doesn't win jack.  Even at his peak he very rarely won anything.

Acting like Hayden should be lead input on a bike is ludicrous.  I remember when Stoner talked about Hayden when he was at Ducati.  One time he was asked if he should look at Hayden's setup, and he quickly pointed out that Hayden can't ride as fast as him, so his setup would be garbage.

Rossi may be using Hayden's setup as a baseline, but its obviously not going to close the 25-30 second gap or Rossi would already be on the pace, and Hayden would have been there as well.  Contending for 3 laps at Jerez and then falling off like a brick doesn't mean Hayden is performing.

I like Hayden, but he has never been a number one since he left AMA.  He's a number two factory guy.  That's all he ever was.  He keeps his mouth shut because he knows how precious a factory seat is and that he's lucky to still be in one.

You may be right, but Rossi did nothing last year, looks like he's doing nothing this year, is being paid $$$$ and Ducati are crawling up his arse, While Nicky is treated like the red head stepchild. At least Nicky is having a go, I like his never say die attitude and think Ducati should show him a little respect. 

[duccarlos]

Nicky and Dovi are in the same category. Very consistent, but never fast enough to win. They have no killer instinct. I've seen Nicky sit behind a much slower guy for laps after laps waiting for him to make a mistake instead of pushing the guy to actually make it. They will never be the #1 guy on any team.

[Triple J]

I don't buy the argument that Nicky is a number 2 factory rider.

He has a championship. Call it a consistency championship if you want, but he was on the podium damn near every race that season, won 2 races, and won the championship..despite being taken out by his teammate.

Since then he has been on a shit bike. First the 800 Honda (which was junk), and then the Ducati (which is still junk). The last year he was on a good bike he won.

His #1 teammates at Ducati and Honda never won a championship on the bike he was also riding.

I think he'd be battling for the front with a good bike. They should swap him and Ben. 

[duccarlos]

No killer instinct.

[Jester]

I don't buy the argument that Nicky is a number 2 factory rider.

He has a championship. Call it a consistency championship if you want, but he was on the podium damn near every race that season, won 2 races, and won the championship..despite being taken out by his teammate.

Since then he has been on a shit bike. First the 800 Honda (which was junk), and then the Ducati (which is still junk). The last year he was on a good bike he won.

His #1 teammates at Ducati and Honda never won a championship on the bike he was also riding.

I think he'd be battling for the front with a good bike. They should swap him and Ben. 

He won three races total on the RC211V, one of the best bikes ever, over a span of 4 seasons.  Pedrobot came in as a rookie and won 2 races out of the box in 1 season on that bike.  Hayden also won his championship with the third lowest point total of the modern scoring era, on a bike much less prone to crashing than the 500cc machines of 1993/1995, and that was Hayden's best year by far, which isn't saying much.  He has a career winning percentage of 1.9% in the premier class.  Sete Gibernau had 8 wins on the same Honda and scored more points than Hayden's championship total twice.  Max Biaggi matched his win total while riding a satellite version in fewer seasons.

I can't buy the argument he was ever a number one.

[ducpainter]

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I can't buy the argument he was ever a number one.

Despite the fact that he had more points than the rest that year?

[Jester]

Despite the fact that he had more points than the rest that year?

I'm saying his championship doesn't automatically qualify him as a lead rider(number one) factory team investment.  His body of work in the premier class says otherwise.  3 wins out of 150 something races over the span of 9 seasons on factory hardware doesn't cut it.

[zooom]

http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/May/120508a.htm

[ducpainter]

I'm saying his championship doesn't automatically qualify him as a lead rider(number one) factory team investment.  His body of work in the premier class says otherwise.  3 wins out of 150 something races over the span of 9 seasons on factory hardware doesn't cut it.

I agree.

I misunderstood.

A lot of people don't consider Nicky a champion, which is where I thought you were going.