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« on: May 04, 2011, 07:49:30 PM »

I don't have any specific questions right now, but I've been searching for in-depth Ducati ECU tuning resources. I was a mechanic and tuner for cars for over 10 years and wanted to start venturing into that territory with the Duc. Problem is that I can't find any great resources. Tid-bits of information here and there, but no in-depth resources.

Any one know of any sites where I can get things like:

list of ECU model per bike model and what's compatible/interchangeable (with the right chip of course)
Good software (besides the usual TunerPro RT) and basemaps available for download
ECU hacks and mods
known issues and things to watch out for when tuning
typical "safe" fuel/ignition specs to create basemaps
datalogging (if it can be done pulling sensor readings from the ECU instead of buying aftermarket units)
well, you get the idea of what I'm looking for!!!


I have all my tuning stuff for cars (EPROMs, burner/reader, LAMBDA, EGT, laptop setup for tuning, various semiconductors, soldering station and other stuff) but I want to read up on it before I dissect my first Duc ECU!!!

Any help is appreciated!
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 03:30:22 AM »

No one so far?

Well then, aside from hacking the stock ECUs, what is everyone doing for tuning? PCIII or what
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2011, 03:34:00 AM »

Most are sending the ecu's out to the various retailers for reflashing.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2011, 03:44:02 AM »

Well that's what I'm looking to do...but not retail...just for myself and maybe a few others.

So what I'm hearing is that I should make friends with a retailer that re-flashes and hound them for the information I'm looking for. Sad
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2011, 03:47:48 AM »

Well that's what I'm looking to do...but not retail...just for myself and maybe a few others.

So what I'm hearing is that I should make friends with a retailer that re-flashes and hound them for the information I'm looking for. Sad
Good luck with that.

From what I understand the Marelli 5.9 ecu is a nightmare and anyone that put money into developing a hack is going to be less than forthcoming with the secrets.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2011, 04:19:33 AM »

That seems to be the norm, except for a few communities that highly encourage open source solutions and collaboration. Those communities also seem to advance the quickest and offer the most and best solutions to tuning. PGMFI.org is a good example for the Honda/Acura community. TONS of info, software, basemaps, and people to learn from.

So, I think I see a void in the Duc community that needs to be filled. I just registered ductune.com and will work on building a community in my spare time to collaborate and share info until the Ducati community has some effective and free (or at least cheap) DIY tuning solutions. I'll probably get it added as a sponsor once it gets a little established and has some content. Hopefully this actually goes somewhere.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2011, 12:14:53 PM »

Good luck with your venture.

Don't forget that Ducati now uses a Siemens ecu so in order to have good coverage of the product line you'll need to hack more than one type of /hardware/software.

The early injected bikes used a few different versions of Marelli hardware to add to the fun, and the old carbies could use some lovin' in the ignition area too.

This thread might be of interest to you also...http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=48442.0
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2011, 12:47:40 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 01:19:57 PM »

I'm working on the site and should have it available soon.

One way you all can help is to take hi-res pictures of the ECU boards, front and back. Also, if any of you have a chip reader, snag the chip out and make a copy of the stock bin files on them. Thanks!
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 02:59:19 PM »

You know that all of the Monster ECU's are sealed units, right?
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 03:18:08 PM »

Nope. I'm new to Ducati ECUs. Been tuning automotive ECUs for years though. This is the kind of stuff that will be on the site.

As for being sealed, there's gotta be a way to open them. They got the board in there so there's gotta be a way to get it out.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 04:40:19 PM »

I guess I should have been more specific.

AFAIK, the case is glued together at assembly.
So 'opening' the case would be destructive.

Additionally, the Magneti-Marelli 5.9 ECU is surface mount, so the chip doesn't slip out.
Pretty sure the newer Siemens ECU is the same construction.

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2011, 05:10:38 PM »

JP has programs the read, edit and write some of the ECUs: http://ducatidiag.xooit.com/index.php
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2011, 05:53:25 PM »

Speeddog - I'll take a closer look at the next monster case and see for myself. I'd be willing to bet that there's a way to open it and reseal it without destroying it.

As for the surface mount chips, I have no issues desoldering it and soldering in a zif socket. Do you know the chip size for those by chance?

Ducatician - Thanks for the link! Checking them out now to see what's currently available. Eventually i'd like to write my own program for altering the bin files and hopefully for datalogging as well.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2011, 10:04:16 PM »

I've not opened any ECU's, so no idea of the chip size or other info.

Grab yourself some and have at it.

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