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« Reply #75 on: January 18, 2011, 05:18:16 PM »

I know my sender's good because I can hook back up to stock gauges and all is well. I'm wondering what in the hell that switch is actually doing, because it isn't working like oil pressure and neutral circuits...
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« Reply #76 on: January 18, 2011, 05:24:42 PM »

I know my sender's good because I can hook back up to stock gauges and all is well. I'm wondering what in the hell that switch is actually doing, because it isn't working like oil pressure and neutral circuits...

On my bike ('01 900) it's a powered circuit. I.e. voltage goes into the sensor and passes through it when tank is low. i.e. you get +12v off that lead when the tank's low.

This is the opposite of the neutral and oil circuits which ground out when oil's low / neutral is engaged.

I hope that helps.
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« Reply #77 on: January 18, 2011, 06:01:32 PM »

Interesting, that just might be it. I think I was mistaken in assuming that because the stock gauge lit the fuel light that that meant the actual circuit was powering during the "key on gauge dance". I guess it's possible the factory gauges were powering that circuit instead. If that's the case it is just a matter of running a wire from Pin 20 to the LED to Pin 22 (ground).

Dammit now I have to drain the tank I just filled lol. Screw it, not working on it tonight, I'm crawling into bed with the woman and the dog at a decent hour tonight.
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« Reply #78 on: January 18, 2011, 08:33:14 PM »

My advice: Measure the ohms on the sensor.

0 ohms means uhm, not sure what it means since yours lights up when you first turn on the bike. Let me check on your other thread on this subject to see what it means Smiley

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« Reply #79 on: January 19, 2011, 05:50:02 AM »

Where should I be measuring resistance? On the sensor itself or on the dash leads? What pins should I be looking for?
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« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2011, 09:58:15 AM »

derby the wiring diagram and let me take a gander as there are a number of possibilities.

Still, regardless measure the resistance on the sensor leads. Regardless of whether it's a simple of complex circuit that controls the lights we may be able to come up with something.

In the meantime, I'd also try measuring the voltage on the two dash leads you mentioned when the bike is first turned on, and keep measuring the voltage for a minute or so. I'd also look into trying it out with an ordinary incandescent bulb connected to the two dash leads.
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« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2011, 07:09:49 AM »

Slightly off topic right now, but I just found my long-lost notes from when I installed the vapor on my bike (carbed 2001 M750 btw). I figured I should post here before I lose them again ..  Embarrassed

From an email with trail tech: the red RPM signal wire requires a 600K Ohm inline for an accurate reading. This is only necessary if the kit you get doesn't have a resistor already built in. I'm a cheap bastard and I bought mine off eBay so I needed the resistor.

The nearest Radio Shack had only 1M Ohm (#271-1356) and 470K Ohm (#271-1133) resistors. I don't remember which one I put in, but either worked pretty well.

I had also bought a 100K Ohm resistor to put inline with the 470K in case it was too little and the 1M was too much, but in the end I didn't use them since the reading was accurate enough.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming Grin
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« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2011, 07:51:09 PM »

Yup, the kit I specified in the first post on here comes with the "resistorified" tach wire. Haven't had time to screw with the fuel light, damn women don't understand that silly things like fixing stuff around the house and paying attention to them shouldn't take precedent over figuring out a wiring diagram for a part you're using to replace a part that worked perfectly well in the first place.
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« Reply #83 on: January 22, 2011, 07:22:21 AM »

Damn Ted, I'm a bit lost in this.  Think you could post up a few pics to show what you're talking about?






































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« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2011, 10:53:48 AM »

Damn Ted, I'm a bit lost in this.  Think you could post up a few pics to show what you're talking about?


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« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2011, 11:16:06 AM »

Damn Ted, I'm a bit lost in this.  Think you could post up a few pics to show what you're talking about?

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Project is on hold for right now until I get my fuel light figured out...
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« Reply #86 on: March 15, 2011, 07:31:45 PM »

Played hookie from work today (ok, so I was sick) and got back to work on this. Everything except the fuel light works like a charm. I'll update everything once I'm near a real computer, but damn it feels good to see everything (except that godforsaken fuel light) working.
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« Reply #87 on: March 16, 2011, 06:08:34 AM »

UPDATE: 3/16/11

The gauge is installed and working. Yesterday was a pretty busy day of working on it, so here is the next to final update until someone figures out how to make the fuel light work.

This is the final schematic I used. It has significant changes from the original one so THIS IS THE ONE TO USE ON A FUEL INJECTED BIKE.



I'm not going to post how to route the wires because every bike is different, but I will give a few pointers that should be common sense"

1. Avoid moving parts
2. Keep them away from heat whenever possible. They won't melt, but they will get brittle over time
3. Run them along with factory wiring when possible, and trace the frame to hide the wires. It's better to use a few extra inches of wire rather than jump a gap and expose the wire
4. When in doubt, more zip ties. Small ones

Speed Sensor
The Trailtech doesn't work with the factory speed signal coming into the dash so you have to install their speedo cable and sensor. It's essentially a beefy bicycle computer lead and magnet.

First replace one of your rotor bolts with the TT magnetic bolt. The rotor bolts are T40 (Torx) and they are IN THERE. I used a torch to melt the Loctite and some PB Blaster. Couple taps on the ratchet with a hammer and one broke free.



Replace that bolt with the included magnetic bolt.



Now it's time to install the sensor. It installs easily on the inside of the left fork lower. Make sure you install it at a height so that the magnetic bolt passes UNDER the tip of the sensor. Mounting it too low will result in a double reading. I just used some brake cleaner to clean off any oil and funk on the fork lower then used the double sided tape supplied with the sensor. You might be thinking not to trust tape there, but the tape supplied is 3M VHB. We use it in the sign industry for permanent installs and the auto industry uses it to adhere friggin body panels. It's not going anywhere.



Now you just need to run the wire up to the dash area. Luckily Ducati somehow knew that you were going to install an aftermarket dash and they supplied a perfect passthrough for you. Just inside your brake line on the lower triple there is a hole with a perfect diameter to run the wire through.



I was yanked at first that I was going to have another wire junking up the look of the bike when the whole purpose of this project was to clean it up, but it blends very well and you barely notice it.

Tach Wire

Yet another "learn on the fly" experience on this one. All the reading I did talked about simply attaching the tach wire to the negative terminal of the coil. Surprise! the Fuel Injected bikes don't have one! So I tried splicing into the fuel injector wire figuring there is a pulse to the injectors on every firing of the coil, but didn't get a good tach signal. So instead I patched into the other wire, the ECU signal to the coil. Sho 'nuff it reported a perfect RPM. NOTE: The Trailtech can be set up for different motors that have different pulses per revolution (PPR). Set up your gauge (in the setup section of the owner's manual) with a PPR of 0.5.

Here is the patched wire. Notice the e-taped injector wire (brown) where I tried tapping originally.



Engine Temp

This was the last and most frustrating of "discoveries" yesterday. The plug ring is a simple device. It's a copper ring with attached wiring that slips over the end of the spark plug and acts as the crush washer. Piece of cake right? You must have forgotten you are working on a Ducati! The plug has a machined recess seat that it fits snugly into. With the plug ring in place on the plug you don't have enough room to slide the wiring past the cooling fins and also the ring prevents the plug from seating. So what else would I do when faced with extra metal in the wrong spots? That's right, Dremel to the rescue.

THIS PART IS BEST LEFT TO A PRO IF YOU AREN'T COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH A ROTARY TOOL NEAR SENSITIVE SHIT.

I pulled the plug and stuffed a wadded up paper towel into the plug hole. This is to prevent any metal shavings from getting into the cylinder. I then ground a small piece of the fins off to give the wiring tab clearance. The most nerve racking part is grinding the recessed area flush with the plug seat just enough that the wiring tab will seat as well. Use compressed air to clear any metal shavings before you pull the paper towel out, and make sure the paper towel is in there securely before hitting it with the air. I didn't snap many pictures of the finished product because I was puckered too tight to stop working for fear I might lose my nerve. Here is the finished product:



Turn Signal Tap

The last step was to tap into the center wire of the turn signal switch. By this time it was late and I didn't have my phone on me so I don't have any pictures but it's very straightforward.

On the left controls follow the large wiring bundle (not the fast idle cable housing!) and carefully slit the outer insulation to expose the wires inside. Find the turn signal center post wire. The wiring diagram calls it orange, but it's closer to a salmon color. Snip it and strip it. Connect that to the negative side of your two post turn signal relay, you'll probably have to run a little extra wire to give yourself enough slack to properly route it, I did. Seal up the slit you made in the control bundle with e-tape and you're done.

Plug everything in

Because I was doing a ton of testing and figuring shit out I had obviously plugged in everything what felt like a hundred times to make sure it was all working. Now is the time to cross your fingers and pray all your connections were tight and accurate. No worse feeling than plugging it in and finding a problem.

Plug in the white harnesses from the Trailtech unit and also the main wiring bundle into the existing dash harness. Turn on the key and marvel at how everything works (except for that boil on my ass fuel light).

I'll make one last post on how to setup the Trailtech computer, but that should get you up and running with all the proper connections.
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« Reply #88 on: March 17, 2011, 09:21:14 AM »

Closing Thoughts

Got a chance to ride the bike today with it all buttoned up, and I'm thrilled. There are still some things to attend to; the speedo is reading about 10% high (but I didn't measure my wheels yet) and the engine temp is in a different range since it is reading head temp, not oil temp so I need to set my temperature warning lights a bit higher.

Here is the before and after

Before:


After:


Riding the bike the gauges are extremely easy to read at a glance and there is a lot more information available. It is mounted very solidly and I Loctited everything.

The overall process was pretty straightforward even if time consuming. A lot of the frustration came from figuring out how to make something work, and now that I have it figured out it wouldn't be TERRIBLY hard to do another. Here's my completely subjective and skewed difficulty rating system of the entire process, first for myself writing this, then what I would anticipate if you were following along at home.

My clumsy self doing this for the first time:

ECU Flash
3/10
Biggest challenge - finding and using VDSTS cable

Fabricating the windscreen
4/10
Biggest challenge - building the template and devising a way to mount it

Fabricating the mounting bracket
2/10

Wire Diagram
8/10
Biggest challenge - finding the subtle differences between carbed bikes and fuel injected

Building the harness
7/10
Biggest challenge - precision soldering and heat shrinking

Installing the Trailtech wiring
4/10
Biggest challenge - finding a reliable tach source and removing the rotor bolt

And now if I were to do this again or if you were to follow these at home:

ECU Flash
3/10

Fabricating the windscreen
6/10

Fabricating the mounting bracket
3/10

Wire Diagram
1/10 - it's already done for you you lucky bastards Cheesy

Building the harness
7/10 - 9/10 if you don't have much soldering experience

Installing the Trailtech wiring
3/10

Would I do it over again?

For the most part, in a heartbeat. The lack of working fuel light is my only lingering issue with the install and it honestly bothers me. On my old Sportster at least I had a manual petcock for emergency fuel. On the Monster I'm stranded if gas slips my mind on a ride.

The install was harder than I thought it would be because most of the wiring info and knowledge that's available is based around the older carbed bikes because people have been working on them longer. I feel confident that if you feel comfortable following a schematic and have basic soldering and fabrication experience this could be a weekend project once you get all the pieces in place.
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« Reply #89 on: March 17, 2011, 10:03:26 AM »

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