Ducati Monster Forum

Its been a long time coming, but the monsta rebuild is almost here!
Over the years I've been doing little mods to the ol girl, and I reckon I've got it pretty much where I want it. I've also collected a few engine bits..
I would like to have this done by November because the local Ducati owners club is having it bi-anual italian MC show and I'd like to enter..   [thumbsup]
So, the next step is put these engine bits together. Then when that's done I'm gunna pull the bike to bits, cut off unwanted brackets from the frame and weld a few bits back on, then repaint it.
The Bike is a 93 900, the first monster! I've had the bike for about 15 years, bought it new in 95.  Although it still gets heaps of looks, its looking a bit ratty! the frame has battery acid marks and stone chips all over it and the tank ect. But you'd expect that after 90,000 klms
Anyhow, I thought I'd share it with DMF because it (the people here) has been a huge influence on the what I've done!

Heres the engine cases all masked up ready to go to the powder coaters.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1646.jpg?1283673252)

I Bought the cases from ebay cheep because they were broken where the side stand bolts on. I got a guru mate to weld em up and I remachined it.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1027.jpg?1283673265)

I then had to bore the cases so's the 984 barrel's would fit.
I also did a mod that's recomended by  Ducati Kämna ( http://www.kaemna.de/cms_en/custinfo.htm (http://www.kaemna.de/cms_en/custinfo.htm) )
In my engine, the under piston cooling oil jet, on the rear cylinder, gets blocked for 180 deg of rotation by the crank wheel, because the jet comes from the wrong side of the engine.
What I did was extend oil galleys through the cases so that the oil jet come from the other side of the engine.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1021.jpg?1283673274)

this pic shows the new oil jet hole. Its come around the outside of the main bearing sleeve, you can see the hole where the sleeve fits in cases..
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1023.jpg?1283673273)

here's the 984 big bore kit..
I had the piston crowns ceramic coated and the skirts caoted with a low friction coating. The barrels were coated with a heat dispersing coating.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1652.jpg?1283675619)

here's the heads, another ebay score..
I've had em ported and ceramic coated, aand had the heat dispersing coating put on them. I also cleaned up the casting around the fins above the belt on the front head before coating, some people might know the casting is messy in that area.. and also polished the ends of some of the cooling fins. You can also see the new Nichols head studs in the pic.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1651.jpg?1283675622)

Here's a set of veetwo 210 cams. I work there as a machinist, so I get to make my own..   ;D
and because I made my own.. thats my name stamped on them!   8)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/rossi.jpg?1283675625)

I was going to put the heads together this w/end while the cases are out, but that hasn't happened!   :-\

 [drink] instead

wow, just wow.

loving this build already.

Geoff, I'm pretty jealous mate. I looove those cams! This is going to be an awesome build, I can't wait to see more progress!

Holy smokes. This is gonna be a great thread. [thumbsup]
[popcorn]

 [drool]
 [popcorn]

<bookmark>  [beer]

That is awesome!

ok going back on something

why did you have to bore the cases?

I thought all the aftermarket cylinders were bolt on.

904 is stock.
944 can be cut out of the stock barrel.
966 too...

984 kits, well...  The skirt portion of the cylinder barrel would have been too thin for the overbore so you can't use stock cylinder barrels.  Because of the increased bore, and now increased piston skirt...you have to bore the cases to receive the larger barrels.

see this is why I ask those questions... so smart people will answer.

Valentino wont be the only Rossi going around on a desmo next year!   ;D

Raux.  you can see in that shot looking down the barrel that I've actually broken through into the cavity where a bolt that bolts the cases together lives..   also, look how close the dowel is to the edge of the bore.
If you wanted to go bigger capacity than 984 it would require a LOT more work...

no kiddin that is close. i think you can see the black pin through the paper thin metal at that point  [laugh]

so the 1000 cases are a lot different than the 900 cases. cause i've seen kits up to 102mm for them

btw. i know you are going up in capacity, but how about going more oversquare with a shorter stroke?

you could go to a 66mm stroke and get the 955cc

a bore stroke ratio of 1.45 closer to the 1198 ratio.

FYI -- 984's run VERY hot due to thin cylinder walls.  Needed two oil coolers to keep my Supersport w/FCR's from getting too hot with the fairings installed.  I was running a 984 in my DesmoDevil w/ST2 cams and FCR's without oil coolers and 100% synthetic.  Tens of thousands of miles on it over the years but it was very sensitive to the outside heat environment. (great engine to ride though in the cold!)  It's DOA now -- cylinders scored, broken piston rings, piston damage from detonation and bearings "cooked". New engine transplant upcoming is less "hooligan"...

yeah, there's a few other things I would've like to do, but it also comes down to time and money.. where do  ya stop? :)


Thanks for the info.  [thumbsup]  I probably wouldn't have gone down this path if the 984 kit didn't come upon ebay a few years ago!
I knew it'd get hotter, thats why I wanted to do the piston cooling mod, and also why I got everything ceramic coated (including exhaust ports), so it'd absorb less heat. And the heat dispersing coating...
I was hopeing not to have to run another oil cooler.. more clutter! but it does get hot here in Perth, so that wont help either! I'll just have to see what happens and keep an eye on it. 

This is the first time I've done anything like this, tho, I do know a few knowledgeable people (veetwo dosn't do this stuff anymore)

 Any advise, info or suggestions are much appreciated!   [thumbsup]

Go Monsta!
Full support from down here in Victoria!
 [clap] [popcorn]

How about a larger oil cooler instead of 2 separate ones?   

This looks sweet.  Ill be removing all the sloppy casting marks off of my heads soon. Im also thinking about milling the belt guards off of the cylinders, no need for the extra weight. 

Looking forward to progress.

yeah, probably the way to go. hopeing I wont need it.

Got the cases back..
also, rounded the heads and polished the bag of stainless bolts in the pic!  :)  (I have a fetish for stainless)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1657.jpg)

Also got the heads mostly together today. Took me all day
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1656.jpg)

 984 [drool]
[popcorn]

Had a chat with the painter, he suggested that if I want to have this done for the Iatlian bike show on the 14 November, I better get the frame to him! So , thats what I've been doing...

got a bit done on the yesterday. Removed everything from the frame, while checkin it out when removed I found this..

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1670.jpg)

I knew there was a crack there, but it had migrated round the back more than the front so it wasn't easily seen.
This is the worst side but the other side is cracked to.
I was planing to brace those area's.. maybe a timely rebuild..   :)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1668.jpg)

Monsta indeed!! Cool stuff. That is one thing I wish I had, a machinist course, I work in aviation and see some of the cool stuff the "metal" guys get to make for themselves!! Great people to know :)

Gusset it up!
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTLhoT7vBnoEwWY83bwg6Qq9es0ajZvFsjbR8309UmSwoQhRI&t=1&usg=__txOqaCyZJnpR5A4rc8ZM0ZEswZw= (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTLhoT7vBnoEwWY83bwg6Qq9es0ajZvFsjbR8309UmSwoQhRI&t=1&usg=__txOqaCyZJnpR5A4rc8ZM0ZEswZw=)

this is the style gusset ill be doing.


(http://i55.tinypic.com/azark5.jpg)

freaking GORGEOUS

+1

monsta, mate how did I miss this one...?  What a beauty - I'm always impressed with (and yes a little jealous of) such machining skills  [thumbsup]

And the cases look fabulous - who coated em for you?  Was it a Victorian  8)?

Me? I'm welded on to this thread.....  [popcorn]

Looks like it's going to be a real Monster  [thumbsup]  Looking forward to seeing more.   [popcorn]

trucka..  thats a classy looking gusset!
I thought about doing a curved one like yours, one of the things that stopped me was the fact that it would be difficult to make...  the scolloping out to fit the frame.  Well done!   [thumbsup] 
I was also interested to see the pic that greenmonster posted in your thread of the Ducati Corsa 888  http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/888corsa%20291107.jpg (http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/888corsa%20291107.jpg)  I hadn't seen that before.

Ung..  I'm no machining superhero! I just know some good people to get advise from..  some of them here on this forum! :)
the cases were powdercoated here locally in Perth. No big deal I think any powdercoater could do it.. just textured black. The time consuming bit is the masking, took me hours, even made a cover for the oil filter sealing face.


anyhow...
making steady progress, I'm a bit time poor.
Made the gussets.. 


(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1676.jpg)

I was thinking of putting another gusset below the cross section mirroring the top one? Because frame work is a bit of a black art, I dont know if the extra bracing will affect the handling adversely?
anyone here have any thoughts?  I was just going to copy what others have done...

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1674.jpg)

While playling around with the frame, these brackets fell off!!

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1675.jpg)

I'd bolt that frame to the cases for the welding.

yep, I've got a set of 999 cases I was planning to use.

Hey those same tabs fell off of my frame.

Looks good. Is that 4130 for the gussets? 

 [bacon]......... [popcorn]

nah, just a bit a mild steel that was lying around...

A couple of notes based upon my experience:

- The frame x-area is the weak link.  Why is it the weak area?  Partly not due to a great design but primarily due to the HAZ area of the weld itself.  You will not see a frame bend -- it will crack adjacent to the weld itself through the tube on frames that do fail.

- Thus the gusset is a good thing -- it adds extra material.  But conversely you potentially add more HAZ area into the equation and can make the area more susceptible to cracking. 

- The composition of the steel frame that Ducati uses isn't 4130 chromoly -- but it isn't plain steel either.  It has a bunch of other materials added in and at times acts somewhat like 4130 in terms of welding.  Thus I recommend a small vent hole from the back side of the cover into the frame to vent (and especially if you back purge the weld itself with Argon).  I'm not going to get into TIG back purging but it does make a difference.

- Also make sure your frame / engine mounts are mounted to something solid ala engine case (or a frame jig like I use).  Do not remove the frame when hot -- wait until its cold to the touch. Make whomever is welding it aware that the frame can/will move very easily -- thus you can weld to minimize problems. Cold bending Ducati frames isn't hard to do but it's still a major PITA to get perfect alignment.  Thus don't cause a headache by welding the frame on the welding table without the frame mounted (via engine bolts) to something solid.

- Heat normalization.  95% of the people laugh about this.  I heat my TIG welds on a 4130 (and even factory modified frames) with a gas torch post welding and the surround tube area to correct temp and then slowly let it cool but still applying heat.  Eventually letting it cool completely.  All while being jigged.  Frames fit perfectly everytime and I've never had a Ducati (or my own custom 4130) frame crack.  I can't say that about some other repairs/custom frames I've seen from others.

- Another example of the heat normalization is the people re-welding Supersport and Monster aluminum swingarms.  TIG weld and inevitably it will crack again in the future.  TIG weld and then get the gas torch out and normalize the metal (and adjacent) -- and you will never have to re-weld that swingarm again in that area.  Most of the cracking of the aluminum swingarms is in the HAZ affect zone adjacent to the factory weld.

If you are adding gussets, etc to the frame -- best ones to add are immediately behind the steering tube and into the main frame tubes.  You will notice it almost immediately when you ride the bike.  Only problem is that it negates the fitment of an airbox to the area and thus why they were originally removed.

Now modify away!

Very good Info. I was told, many times, that the frame was 4130.  Its obviously no DOM so I doubt it is also 4130.

Mark, If you wouldnt mind taking a look at My thread I would appreciate it.  Im using 4130 tubing in my frame and ER70S-2 filler.

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=6965.300 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=6965.300)

sorry not to thread jack Monsta.

monsta

what prep did you have to do to the cases and heads for powder and ceramic coating?

As I understand it, the first few Monsters were 4130, then they changed to an proprietary alloy somewhere between mild steel and 4130. 

I've always heard it was ALS430, similar to 4130

great info, thanks Mark.

a couple of questions if you dont mind...
1.what temp do you recommend I heat the frame to for normalization?
2. I was thinking of bracing around the steering tube, but there is no cracking there so I wasn't sure if I should worry...
   If I did I was going to do the same as the pic below.. is that what you would recommend?
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/frame-1.jpg)


Brad,
the cases were cleaned and masked on all sealing faces as well as faces that would have things mounted to (frame). I stuffed rags behind the larger cavities to support the masking tape so it wouldnt rip. I screwed bolts in all threads and also masked bearing holes and remove all seals.  The powder coater doesn't do media blasting so I sent it to someone that does lots of engines, he uses garnet.
Then take straight to powdercoaters making sure not to get oily or dirty.

The head were taken to the ceramic coaters and he did all the prep work...

Wait wait wait, you masked an engine for powdercoat with rags and regular masking tape?

I'm...confused

Ducati did the similar bracing on their Corse/factory bikes:

(http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/888corsa%20291107.jpg)

about what?

green monster..  I saw you posted that pic in truckinducs thread, I've never seen it before. I guess that whoever made the frame in the pic I posted (I dont know its history, just seen a few pics of it)  got the idea from Corsa?? 
anyhow.. good find!  :)

For the cases, did you use "normal" powder or the high-temperature stuff?


Probably because "special" (feels like cellophane) tape is used for masking during powdercoating and rags might ignite when put in the oven.

Sounds like my coater does things way different.

They blast everything and mask everything.

Threaded holes are plugged with these little rubber stoppers, gasket surfaces are masked with this thick tape.  It's far from cellophane, think 2x thickness duct tape and 3x the stiffness.

Ovens are 400-450* depending on the material that needs coated.

The downside to all that is the cost is higher when they do it all.  It's nice to drop off a box of stuff, though, and have it just come back all done :)

I didn't know there was normal and hi temp stuff..
they heat to 200deg C  (392deg F)

I've done quiet a few other things and never had a problem with masking tape... 
and about the rag, I rang the powdercoaters first to see if it would be ok, they actually suggested that I could stuff the cavities with newspaper.
I guess the spontaneous combustion temp is a lot higher than 200deg..

Fahrenheit 451

(http://img.freebase.com/api/trans/image_thumb/wikipedia/images/en_id/10504500?errorid=%2Ffreebase%2Fno_image_png&maxheight=200&mode=fit&maxwidth=150)

I mean, you can buy the tape and the plugs, they're not that pricey.

I just didn't think regular masking tape would do it.  Some powders, especially blacks and low gloss stuff seem to be 450F.

I have only one thing to say to someone that has done the research, has the knowledge and can generate the initiative to take on a project like this...  [bow_down]

this is, in my opinion, the best way for bracing the front of the frame and still having room.  Ill be doing the brace out of tubing and sheet, not just sheet.

(http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv273/BifPib/IMG00081-20100427-2031.jpg)

Please explain for those of us that don't weld...
thx!






///love these mod threads, even if I don't always know what the heck is being discussed...

looks like a good plan trucker.. what frame is that?

"Heat Affected Zone"



I havn't made much progress, I have the engine completly stripped and I've been trying to make the bracing tube for around the headstock. But I have to say that I was struggling.
I was having probs scoloping the tube to fit the frame around the headstock nice tight. Anyhow I asked around about whats the best way and was made an offer I couldnt refuse. A local guru frame builder said he would do it if I did some engine work on a 900 engine for him.
He primarily works in aviation but builds frames as well, and is responsible for building the Aussie record holder in top fuel drag bikes.. amongst heaps of others.. and my welds arn't a scratch on his!  :)
Anyhow, I'm going down another path now as well.
He suggested putting a cross piece in for various reasons, and it turns out his ideas are the same as the 888 frame(he didn't know that).
So hopefully I'll have it back next week.
I cant see that I'll make the bike show..  but hey, it aint biker build off, and I want it done properly!   [thumbsup]

thats a 748 frame.

Any pictures of the bracing on an 888 frame?

 :-[ I should have known that was a 748 frame! I had the engine out of mine about 2months ago! (in my defence of lack of observation, the brace is kinda hidden by the coolant bottle)

here's an 851 frame.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/Duc_851_Frame.jpg)

Mines done!   ;D   not the same as the 851 but the principle is the same...
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1691.jpg)

here you can see the loops I welded on the frame. Clyde (the guy that welded the braces) suggested another way that I maybe should have gone... He reckons just weld a 6mm washer on with a couple of tacks then bend the sides up like a couple of wings. This allows you to get a cable tie through as well as cradle the cable.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1700.jpg)

these are a couple of lugs I welded on about a year ago to support the shock remote reservoir
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1695.jpg)

also..
I'm after some Nichols engine mount bolts. 
http://motorcycle.nicholsmfg.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&category_id=28&product_id=5&Itemid=53 (http://motorcycle.nicholsmfg.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&category_id=28&product_id=5&Itemid=53)
the Nichols site has no way of ordering except ringing, and its a pain in the butt ringing from Australia.
Anyone know of somewhere else I can order them?
 

CA Cycleworks (board sponsor)

http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/chassis.html (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/chassis.html)

http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/docs/contact/email (http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/docs/contact/email)

thanks  kopfjäger ,
I looked at CA Cycleworks first.. couldn't find them!  [bang]


Has anyone used these?  do the frame plugs still fit?

Not sure about that. Just ask them when you send an email.

I looked at Ca-cycleworks too, couldn't find 'em either.  :P

There in the link I posted.

Yeah, I looked at your link and I saw it.

I looked *before* and couldn't find it, had the dumb at the time I guess.

 [laugh] [thumbsup]

1991 factory 851/888:

(http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/170910chili916%20(17).JPG)

(http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/170910chili916%20(14).JPG)


More: http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/new_page_27.htm (http://www.madeinitalymotorcycles.com/new_page_27.htm)

Frame plugs won't fit with the Nichols Ti bolts as they stick out past the ends of the frame lugs.

BTW, I'm a Nichols dealer...  PM me and I can set you up.  ;)

I have Ti bolts on the 859 with frame plugs.


(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/feral009.jpg)

kopfjäger, are your bolts the same as these below?  the have a really long 'nut' on the ends... anyone guess why they do that?

(http://nicholsmfg.com/motorcycle/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Engine_Bolts_4912fb07ed7f9.jpg)

Its to distribute the force going through the frame - bolt over more material.  It spreads out the load and is supposed to give the rider better feedback.

but the contact area of the nut is on the face, the rest of it is in the breeze..

True.  The long nuts on the Nichols 10mm engine mounting bolts are for access to tighten the nuts.  They're a might long IMO, but they're really nice.  (I've had a pair on my CR now for many years...)

I think (can't remember) but I think my Ti engine bolts were from TPO?

That would make sense...

That would be a first for me.  :D

I thought I read the long nut is to fit tightly in the bore of frame.  Therefore if its a tight fit it also distributes the load.  Its not just the face of the nut in contact.  But if the nut isnt a tight fit that theory is blown out of the water.

I don't think the frame 'tube' fitting is accurate enough for that.

I could be wrong on this so please no flame, I have a physics background I am not a ME.

As I understand it when you properly torque a nut, you are in fact, properly stretching the steel bolt the nut is attached to.
It is the steel bolt's attempt to return to normal, or spring tension that applies the clamping force desired. In this application the clamping force presses the base of the nut against the frame which presses the frame against the case.

Two things about the Nichol's TI bolt

thing 1: It is TI so it doesn't stretch like steel so maybe it uses the extra thread length to spread out the force because it is using the thread friction to supply the clamping force... or

thing 2: from what I read on the Nichols site the TI bolt is very stiff compared to the steel bolt it replaces. This property allows less movement (frame relative to case) which is where the improved feel comes from

Finally the bigger nut could just be there to reduce stress on the steel tools normally used to torque the nut so you don't round out the inside of the socket you are using to tighten it down

just my .02 and I'll add like everyone else who has been reading this thread  --  fanfukintastic [thumbsup] work
This thread and Truckers Monster rebuild are the two best on the forum

make the beast with two backs off.





























































Just Kidding.

anyhow..
I'm gunna spring for them and decide if I will modify them or the frame plugs when I eyeball them.
Kinda bad timing because the frame's at the painters and I have to drill out the existing engine bolt thread to fit em, but shouldn't be a big deal..

more stuff off to the powdercoaters..

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1709.jpg)

out of interest for some, I took these pics while pulling engine apart.
this one show's existing rear cylinder oil jet hole that I mentioned I midified earlier. Note that the crank wheel will come around and block flow for 180deg.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1684.jpg)

this one shows the other side of rear cylinder where the hole has been drilled in the modded cases. when oil jet comes from here crand wheel dosn't interfere..

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1685.jpg)


By the way... thanks everyone for the encouraging comments!   [thumbsup]

Pull the brass hose barbs out of the intake manifolds before you ship those off...

I'd already droped them at the powdercoaters when I read your post Stu. But dosn't matter anyhow, I have others I plan on using.

Not a lot to report.. I've just been cleaning bits up.
I did get the bits back from powdercoaters. Here they are all cleaned up.  I'd be interested to see how the heatproof tape others use for masking goes? normal masking tape goes all gummy and is a prick to remove!
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1719.jpg)

and here are some goodies for the engine.. More expensive than I thought they'd be, about $500AUS there! (thats about $499US  [evil] )

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1720.jpg)

I've also given a lick of paint to an enginge stand I made..
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1718.jpg)

Looks like a nice satin finish rather than gloss.

yep, textured black its called...

I still have stuff to go to get anodized and other stuff to get ceramic coated, plus, put the engine together..
THEN, things will move a lot faster... 

I love textured black, I just did all my covers and a bunch of other pieces in it a bit ago.

Those cases look fantastic [thumbsup]

ok, a little bit more done..
I was a bit hesitant to build the bottom end of the engine myself, maybe if it wasn't for the fact that it has different cases and I'd have to shim everything I might of had a crack.
But because I have never done a bottom end before I got a mate of mine to help.(I took everything to Justin at Pro-Twin for anyone in Perth that wants to know) and he gave me a hand... well...  mostly did it!  :)
Anyhow, here's a pic of some primary gears I had kicking around for a while. They're a veetwo item, ratio is similar, but they have a hunting tooth and are lightened!  Problem is I cant use em!  :(
They're for an older model and the ratio for the oil pump is different driving the oil pump slower!  not what I need!  And of course veetwo dosn't make the correct one anymore and I had the wrong ones all this time!   [bang]
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1752.jpg)

So, now I've got the engine home and putting the top end together.
This pic is where I'm getting the belts on so's I can check the squish and clearence of the valves to piston. (I have measured it, but I just want to be sure) .
Here's where I say to bling haters to look away! :)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1758.jpg)

on this side you can see the anodized ally adjustable cam pulleys, I've had em on for about 4-5 years(wish I'd got another set before they sold out..). I've also made stainless belt tensioners... had them for 4-5 years as well (the same time I took the belt covers off) The jackshaft pulley is standard but painted, but I made a larger stainless washer for it.
Also, you can see the bevel engine valve covers. I would like the round case bevel covers more because they have a lower profile, but they are harder to get so more expensive.

more shiny stuff turned up... Stainless rod ends...
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1745.jpg)

difference between polished and unpolished..
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1747.jpg)

have you looked into getting some HM 1100S gears?

if i'm understanding this right. the primary gear ratio isn't going to affect the oil pump ratio as long as the secondary gear on the crank gear isn't different. if that made sense. from what i found most oil pumps have a 40 tooth gear

Raux..  what's special about the HM ones?



Düb Lüv.. yep, that makes sense..  :)
this pic shows the difference between the oil pump gears. (top left =OEM  right=veetwo. the bottom left oil pump gear is veetwo) The gear on the oil pump is correct but the one on the crank isn't.
The OEM oil pump gear is 34/53  the veetwo one is 30/?
I'm told that an earlier model ran them.. maybe pantah or 851?
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1762.jpg)

FYI
the OEM primary gears are  31/62
veetwo is  29/56. 

HM 1100 S gears are lightened stock gears

but only fit splined crankshafts.  900's have the tapered fit to the gear so it's a moot point.

ahhhh thanks Stuart... so which bikes does it fit ? ;) ie does it fit the 696

that's really gay they changed the oil pump ratio too. when you mentioned the pump would run slower i was confused. all makes sense now. i thought there was a magic portal of different primary and oil pump ratios i didn't know about.

i was wondering if you could use 1000cc+ primaries and possibly swap the 900 bearing in them, that is if the gear dimensions were the same. probably not likely though.

Raux:  I think they would, a quick look in the parts fiche would show (hopefully) the splines on your crank.  Transmission input shaft to crank dimensions are the same for all Duc motors so that's good....

all is not lost on the gear yet, I know someone who 'May' have one...
I'm leaving the tightening of the nut on the original gear till last!  :)

engine should be finished on the w'end, pick up the frame from the painters tomorrow..   ;D

yeah main shaft has a spline :D

sorry: end of threadjack

couple of bits to the jigsaw..
funny, the little things tickle the most..
I polished and anodized an alternator cover, and a mate (thanks Adrian) who's a wizz with the cnc stuff (voodoo magic!!) engraved it for me! :)   I love it!   ;D
The plugs are swingarm. I made em, polished em, got em anodized, then shoved a ball nose cutter into em!
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1763.jpg)

AND..
I got the frame back!   8)
as you all know, pics dont do it justice! heres a couple of pics in different light. one with the guard dog...
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1764.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/CIMG1767.jpg)

color's called   blood red!     [evil]

Love that frame color!  [thumbsup]

Looks great.  Question Monsta.  Can you or your cnc friend change a .jpeg file to a .dxf file? I have something I want to engrave in my triples.

yeah, I've seen him engrave a pic of one of the guys doing a jump on a motocrosser.
He uses some program to convert it, I'll find out what it is for ya..

If I PM you a logo could you have him change it for me? I have had several people say they will and then not do it.

I can ask ask him...

I've got the enginge mostly done, waiting on bits that can be done with the engine in the frame.
Spent the weekend getting my head around squish, cam degreeing and piston to valve clearence..  as well as the domestic stuff that has to be done!

Clutch cover is a stock one that I bored holes in, I bore holes in the inner cover to match. both powdercoated (tho, the inner one was done a while ago..  I should have redone it!  [bang] )
little cover on front cam pulley... one of mine..  stainless of course!
stainless head nuts..

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6800.jpg)

stainless oil lines and banjo's..   and gold anodized gland nuts.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6801.jpg)

time to bolt stuff on...   :)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6803.jpg)

AWESOME!!!!

Mate, a fine work of art right there ^^  [drool]

That's sooooo cool man.

how much for one of those sweet motor stands?

i cant wait to see this thing all put together

very very nice  [bow_down]

I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if this is repeat question. Where did you get the valve covers? 

What color is the body work going to be?  How about the wheels?

That is just gorgeous.  I'm also curious about those valve covers.

so after your all finished i take it that you will never ride this bike again and it will be strictly a trailer queen? cause something that beautiful should never get dirty or be in the rain... how will you ever keep it clean otherwise?

"Also, you can see the bevel engine valve covers. I would like the round case bevel covers more because they have a lower profile, but they are harder to get so more expensive."

Thanks everyone!  :)

Trav, I was thinking skulls and flames for the tank!    ;)

hades, I'm a fair weather rider these days.. and possiby it wont get ridden as much, because it wont get used as a commuter.
But after over 90,000 klm's including 10-20 track days, I'm happy for it to go out to pasture!   [beer]


Ohlins front end..   these are off an Aprilia RSV.  Had to make a spacer to replace the speedo drive (guess what I made that outa!) and a split  ally sleeve for one side of the axle.
Also, the bottom tripple clamp is veetwo. I scabed it out of the scrap bin and fixed it up. Bored top and bottom tripples to suit forks. Top triple is stock, removed casting marks and powdercoated both.   the things on the forks between the triples is the mounts for the Tommaselli clipon...  removed casting marks and powdercoated.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6815.jpg)

had to make a top triple nut so's my dash will sit flush...  anodized ally...

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6816.jpg)

this is one of them small thing that tickle you things..

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6817.jpg)

That motor belongs in the Louvre.   [thumbsup]

I'm lovin' those anodized cam pulleys!   [drool]

hahaha
speeddog PM'ed me and suggested I swap the fork left to right!
all I can say is....   oops!  :)
I would have figured it out... eventually!

thanks speeddog  [thumbsup]

I thought you did that on purpose... you know, all in the name of customization. ;D

Hey all of the drag racers are doing it.

love the paint colour , a nice subtle change , beautiful richness



looks like an anderson stand

http://www.andersonstands.com/ducati_stands.htm (http://www.andersonstands.com/ducati_stands.htm)

$135 AUD

there is also this one

http://www.andersonstands.com/other_stands.htm (http://www.andersonstands.com/other_stands.htm)

$215

I'm jealous about your skills and your work in progress

the stand was actually made by me..

started the wiring, fitted the motogadget dash and Ant System rear view camera. This is why I had to make another triple nut.. so's that it'll all sit flush. Made a key surround and had it anodized to match.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6820.jpg)

The dash bracket/surround was actually made from a section that was cut off my old exhaust, it was even a bit blingy by my standards so the bottom section was powder coated. top is polished..

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6807.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6822.jpg)

motomaster brake disk's..  the wheels are off a later model. I bought em when I was doing heaps of track days and I wanted to put slicks on!  That never happened tho!  :)  The web of the spokes is thicker near the axle and thinner as they go out, the opposite of the old ones. Makes the wheels look more open I think!   [roll]
Swingarm on..  ceramic coated Black..
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6823.jpg)

I'm luuuuuving your work!!  So jealous of your talent!!  Keep those pictures coming  [drool]
I really hope you complete it in time for that bi-anual italian MC show.  Pretty sure you'll kick some serious ass  [thumbsup]

Love the look,
the blood red frame is super nice!!!

can't wait to see what's to follow.

Street legal in Au to use instead of mirrors?


Really cool & interesting thread! [thumbsup]

you really should figure out the engine stands for production. those are great.

monsta do you have any pics of the bike right before you started ripping it apart?

Wow!!

Jizz meter reading is 10!

sorry if i missed it, but how did u strip the engine paint?

hmmm.. doubt it!  tho, I was riding with someone on a super squalo (which has one) and he got asked by a cop about it. The cop didn't worry... 
I got this one cheap as leftover bits from the squalo project. Its poor in bright light and 'flares' at night with headlights behind. But, its better than some stock mirrors... 1098 comes to mind.

thanks Raux, I doubt there would be a big market for them, especially at the price I would charge!   [evil]

I do... heaps!  :)
I wont post em yet... I'm trying to build suspense here!!    [roll]   :)


had it blasted right before coating so's there'd be no marks on it.

definatley not

australia has rules (Australian Designs Rules ADR's ) for everything regarding a vehicle and afaik nothing yet regarding camers for rear viewing

stuff like how far apart and how far off the ground indicators must be

reality most cops wont bother , but one day you will get one that his wife wouldnt screw him so he make the beast with two backss you instead

I worry about that as my rear indicators are non-compliant. A lot of the new Harleys have in-built indicators, though, so that should help to take the heat off.

made a bracket to support the battery,  dynacoil mini coils and sparker ignition. Anodized ally with stainless ancillary brackets.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6826.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6835.jpg)

bracket for the oil cooler had to be made because the bevel valve cover dont have one...

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6830.jpg)

made a little fitting to adapt the oil pressure switch to the oil cooler so's I still have a light..

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6828.jpg)

funny.. after all the work I've done to the frame, I never did a tail chop.
This was one of the first things I did about 13  years ago...
The earlier monsters had a shorter subframe, so it not so bad. I made the cover and the licence plate mount. I made em out of fibreglass. When I tried to do them in carbon I had no joy. I couldnt get the air bubbles out. Anyhow, I ended up getting someone who knew what they were doing to make the cover out of carbon from my molds.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6834.jpg)

 :-\
Jizz meter reading lowered to 7.8.   ;D

lollllllllllll

ok..  looking like a motorbike again!
I was waiting on bearings for the rear suspension rocker arm. I made the mistake of taking them out and powdercoating the rocker arm. Seems Ducati had put some obscure bearing in there. I think I got the last 4 in the solar system.. I should have just painted it!!
Fitted the Ohlins shock and the rear wheel.
All I need to do is fit the exhaust and I can try and put some fire in its belly!  [evil]

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6840.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6838.jpg)

and another thing...
I've spun the engine up to get oil pressure.
While doing it I had dramas getting neutral (or changing gear)
When I backed out the detent at the back of the engine I was able to get gears... Does anyone know if it has to be shimed or something??
I'll ask my guru mate Justin tomorrow, but I dont want to bother him ALL the time!  :)

Monsta

It's simply beautiful.
I have thought about updating to a newer model one day, but you have inspired me to just do the wish list rebuild of my own when the next one is due.

Drama!
Got the tank and stuff abck from the painters this morn..
Did the usual cleaning threads and fitting cap and latch ect. After I figured that I had the coils back to front, it let out a big backfire then started up!  :D
Idled and bliped really good. I was really happy how good..
Anyhow, I shut it down and went back to doing other crap so's it'd be ridable. Thats when I noticed an oil leak!!   :'(
Looks like it's coming from the rear base gasket!
Bugger!

anyhow, the bike show is tomorrow. I wouldn't have made it anyhow, I still have a few things to do to make it ridable, so I'm gunna trailer it!   :(    oh the shame!!

fitting the last few things...
mmmmmm  984!  8)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6847.jpg)

the foot stand
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6845.jpg)

got a fresh licence plate. Ive had the old one for 14-15 years.. it was ratty..




you guessed it....






(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6848.jpg)

the (almost) finished product..

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6842.jpg)

Monsta:  Your use of colors, attention to detail and general aesthetic have really come together!  EXCEPTIONALLY nice build mate!!!  I'm really enjoying it.   [thumbsup]

That's a thing of beauty!!  Great job and good luck on the show!!

fantastic work!
beautiful colors
awesome motor

all around great build

Looking good!  [thumbsup]

Don`worry, you just forgot the liiittle Oring....

The shifting mechanism might need some adjustment.
The claw should be in center of the mechanism, you`ll understand when you remove the alt cover.
Gearbox output shaft should have small freeplay, from almost nothing up to 0.15 is OK, 0.10 common.

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark. That looks amazing!

Sick bike , looks great man really good job  ;D

WOW.... pretty much sums it up for me   [bow_down]

Yeah, it is beautiful.

Masterpiece....

Excellent work!!!

Looks awesome!!!

Very nicely done.  The bike looks gorgeous.  I also got a kick out of the footstand. (pun intended) [laugh]  Congrats on a beautiful build and good luck at the show.  [clap]

Thanks everyone.  I really appreciate the comments!   [thumbsup]

well, I did my best ninja, and slipped in with the bike on the trailer... :)
Weather was good, and there was a good turnout, but sorry everyone.. I forgot to take a camera. Kickin myself here!
Here's some pics on the local Ducati owners club...   http://www.docwa.com.au/mioenew.html (http://www.docwa.com.au/mioenew.html)   some nice machinery!

The ol girl got HEAPs of attention, and I was hopeing to get a trophy.  But there was lots of competition. This is the town that has 1% of all Desmocedici's !, so no shortage of toys!
anyhow, I was happy to get best 90's prize..
Then, I won BEST IN SHOW!!   :o
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6849.jpg)

Congrats monsta!! That's one hell of a great looking bike, especially in 2 months!!
 

[thumbsup]

http://www.docwa.com.au/mioenew.html (http://www.docwa.com.au/mioenew.html) , just WOW, lotsa goodies!

And your bike looks fantastic!  [thumbsup]
Congrats on prices.  [clap]

And we need pics from all angles!

Q: The 973 SV-1 Duc, what is that?

Hell yeah, congrats!!!! Awesome bike.

BRAVO!!
Beautiful bike!
Congratulations!!!
 [thumbsup]

Congrats on the prizes!!  Well diserved  [clap]

In all honesty, I think your monster is the hottest bike I saw on the slideshow.  Simply magnificent!!  [bow_down]

And thanks for that URL.  Now I know what it feels like to dehydrate from drooling  [drool]  [drool]  [drool]

Your bike is used as a thumbnail for the pic gallery on the RIDE DAY PICS page http://www.docwa.com.au/Ride%20Galleries/recent_ride_galleries.htm (http://www.docwa.com.au/Ride%20Galleries/recent_ride_galleries.htm)  [thumbsup]

Now that's some recognition  [clap]

I get some decent pics and post em up soon.
The SV-1 Alchemy is actually a bike made by veetwo in the early 90's. It was a half decent frame with half decent suspension for the bevel engines. Ugly a sin I reckon, but about 90-100 were sold mostly overseas, but a few local..

I joined this site specifically to comment on this thread. Have seen a lot of rebuilds and mods but this one takes the cake. Your attention to detail, custom hand made parts and above all the styling and colour scheme of this duke puts it in a league of its own. I want more high res pics
Well done Fedge your a legend

very well done!

Hey Monsta, Do you have any closeups of the adjustable cam sprockets?  I wanna build some but I have yet to find decent pictures. 

Thanks, Trucker. 

BTW I hope to have a motor 2/3 as nice looking as yours some day.

Absolutely fantastic bike! 

Excellent work! [beer]

I am interested in how you modified the oil cooler for the oil pressure sender.  I have been looking in to various options for my Monster and this looks like a great idea.  Thanks!

+1.  This detail may be my favorite part of your build.

Super Cool!!!! Congratulations!!!!  [clap] [clap] [clap]

Greenmonster...  another Alchemy was there as well, heres a pic of one with a squarecase bevel.
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e52/NeroDiablo/DOCWA%202010/PB140101.jpg)



stick around ol mate, theres other good build threads here. Thats what inspired me to start this one!


mine is the older tyep oil cooler, and it has plugs on the inlet and outlet. I just made a banjo type fitting for it. You can see better in the pic below. I have a newer cooler, but thats the main reason I kept this one.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6829.jpg)

Trucker..  pics dont show much. But all they are is a 2 peice thing with 5 slots for adjusting. I thought I had a damaged one that I could take a pic of but I cant find it.


 I wont be able to do much to the bike for a while because of other things I have to do.
But I plan on getting it on the road( theres a few little things to do, and that damn oil leak) then I'll get it on the Dyno so I can tune the Sparker TCIP. (I've advanced the pickup modules about 3deg). I'll be sure to post the results and anything else that happens.

heres a few pics..
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6843.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6863.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6862.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6860.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6855.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6865.jpg)

 

Absolutely gorgeous!!

Personal fave.  So well done.





///are those Lucas rearsets?

//did I sell those to you through this board?

/can I have them back if I did?

Thx f pics!  [thumbsup]
Alchemy not too pretty...



Did you check the small Oring under rear cylinder, right side?
Been there, leaks pretty good...

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6860.jpg)

perhaps its almost time for a NEW BOMB 8-)

yep
no, got em from Jeff @ monsterparts

thats the second time I've had them anodized..  damn black! wont hold its color!

Next time, get 'em done in Hard Black Anodize.

Top job, Monsta.  [thumbsup]

Great that you won Best In Show - the bike is a credit to you. Well deserved.  [bow_down]

I agree. Time to have this one as the BOMB.
Bloody nice.

Monsta.... theres no other way to say it.

That... matey... is... make the beast with two backsING GORGEOUS  [clap] [clap] [drool] [drool]

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6855.jpg)

 [bow_down]  Masterpiece is what this is......   [clap]

really, really well done................beautiful

woo hoo..  its alive!
finally got to get the barrel off. 
Also sorted the birds nest of wiring I had hidden under the battery box.   And, ran the starter motor wire around other side of engine. I will revisit the rest of the wiring at some stage and tidy it all properly.


yep, spot on, was the little O ring...  but, not that I forgot it! It didn't have enough crush on it because I've added shims to get squish right. O ring only had about .2mm crush, needs about .5mm. (guru Justin did tell me about that, even gave me an o ring, but I'd forgot to check!!  [bang] )

So, bike is ready to ride, but I havn't yet!
I had some beers while doing the last few things last night so I wasn't going anywhere.
May get it out after work this arve if it isn't raining...

It must be great feeling. I wouldn't be able to sleep with anticipation.

update...
so, I've done about 200 k's (124.2742 miles!)  :) I havn't had a lot of time to play lately..
I havn't beat it up yet, but the extra oomph was immediately obvious, just bliping the throttle in 1st and the front wheel comes up. And gasing out of a second gear roundabout also will lift the front easily.
 
I rode it to work a couple of times, at the end of the day when I started it up when one of the guy's came out to have a look. The damn thing stalled and I couldn't get it started again because of a flat battery! :-[ .. gave em all a good laugh at my expence!  ;)
anyhow.. turns out the regulator shit itself. Dont know why, maybe because I didn't earth the plug leads when cranking to get up oil pressure??

I have to say, even tho I havn't had much time on it, it dosn't seem as punchy as other 2 valve monsters I've ridden. And I was hopeing for about the same performance..  I think that exhaust is very restrictive. I'll be sussing that out as well as a proper tune.

Its about 10degC (50F)hotter than before. Ran about 80deg (176F) with 35deg (95F)day last weekend and briefly got to 90(194)...

 I cant recommend the frame mods enough!
I gotta say, I was a bit dubious about doing the bracing, as I think it could go the wrong way easily. But it is brilliant!!
Maybe the frame cracks were affecting it, but it seemed to push in corners. I made sure all my suspension setting went back to the same as it was before the rebuild, and now I reckon I could take my hands off the bars in corners!! (I wont really be trying that!) Super solid now...  

anyhow heres a pic taken a couple of months before the rebuild (because I told hadesducati848 I would post it). I fitted the wheels exhaust and disks to make sure all was good then striped it down and did the rebuild.
As you can see most of the stuff was done and tested prior to the build. Even the paint was a similar color, But thats been painted like that for about 14 years.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/DSC_6030.jpg?1292739616)

I'll post up some more pics when I get some decent ones..

This bike should be a BOMb.  Don't be humble. Send a couple of good pictures and a short write up to one of the moderators. 

It is gorgeous, without a doubt!

thanks again people.  [thumbsup]
the BOMb? I dont mind...  I not humble!  :)   just lazy...
I have to sit here and type out some spiel about the ol girl..  it was hard enough doing this thread!   :)


anyhow.. I went out with some locals and one of them took the shot below (thanks Jeff)
there's a high res pic (of the pic below) here if you click on the link, (or right click > save as)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8443673/monsta.jpg (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8443673/monsta.jpg)
its about 7.5 MB. so, yeah...

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/monsta-1.jpg)

Is it a street legal exhaust?
Your engine mods ought to make it fly OK.



Did you ever get the Nichols engine bolts,
I agree w their statement "Our most underestimated product",
they DO make a big difference.
Not dimishing the bracing.


What is the steering angle of the new yokes?

this really is a beautiful bike.

gotta reread it for all the mods :p

I think the quat d would be street legal, its a lot quieter than the cans I had on... (previous pic).
When I fitted it, it seemed to lose a fair bit(front wheel didn't come up so easy). But, I also had to move the back wheel back about 15-20 mm to give clearence for the tyre. So I dont really know if it was the exhaust or the longer swingarm that caused it. I'm guessing exhaust. I'll be testing it when I get it on the dyno and maybe have to open up the quat d???

I never fitted the Nichols engine bolts.
 I dont know how much repairing the crack in the X section contributed to the better feel, but it does feel HEAPs better.
I'm getting new tyres today(got a puncture yesterday) and I expect it to feel even  better'er  :)

same angle on the yolks...

got a bit of time on me hands, so i thought I'd update again...

made a bit more stainless sillyness.. all polished n pretty
rear master cyl lever link.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/brake-clevis.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/brake-clevis2.jpg)

brake and clutch pivot bolts

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/pivot-bolt2.jpg)

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/pivot-bolt.jpg)

Also, finally found the right mating gear for the lightened primaries. (apparently theres a few more sets as well if anyones looking?) these are the veetwo gears with the hunting tooth.
anyhow, they're all fitted up now as well.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/primary-gears.jpg)

I havn't had it on the dyno yet, I felt that it was a bit low on the power I'd expected, so I fitted the old exhaust. And THERE it was! I like the look of the x box so to my shame I've gone with form over function!  :-\
I'm thinking that because the x box dosn't have a crossover/balance pipe like the stock headers, it has no scavenging value and so robbing power. quiet a bit too I reckon!
Anyhow, the plan is to build one like the x box but with a a crossover pipe built in and if it works I'll get it on the dyno.

I've still want to do the wiring at some stage, I might look at the motogadget m-unit... anyone had any experience with it? 
Also, I'm still having drama's starting it. It's not bad, but it still gets caught up at the top of compression. So thats why I'm looking at building a 4 pole starter to give it a bit more boot! http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50076.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50076.0)


funny thing happened yesterday,   I was riding down the freeway going that little bit faster than the trafic like you do when a cop car came up behind me with lights on.  I pulled into another lane to let them past and when they went past I saw a look of horror on the passenger cops face.
Anyhow, they slowed down and motioned me to pull over. bugger I'm thinking! defect notice for sure..
As, I was getting off my helmet, he was asking why I didn't have mirrors. I took off my helmet to show him some grey hair and turned on the ignition to show him I had a rear view camera.  He went, wow! and commenced to tell me how the mirrors are shit on his CBR and he'd never seen these cameras before!  He then had a look at the rest of the bike and said that I'm lucky he's a bike person and he expected a 20yo with attitude!  haha  then he said bloody nice bike mate and I better get on my way!   [Dolph]

Is that legal in Oz?
Really cool if so, one of the features I really liked about the Mhe IE prototype.

nah, camera isn't legal. Just the cop was OK about it all..

Do you get enough ground thru the mounts to work that pressure switch?  Seems the rubber mounts would make it hard.  I forget if the switch is on/off or off/on, I think it's off/on.  If that's the case, then a lack of ground means you wouldn't get any warning.

First off, awesome build. Just read all 12 pages of this in one sitting.  [bow_down]

As for the hard starting issue, are you still using a basically stock wiring harness?

If so, then I'm guessing that's at least part of your problem. Word is that upgrading your starter and ground cable to larger diameter wire/better connections helps solve this problem. My plan is to scavenge a set of car battery cables and fab up an appropriate set of connections for the moto.  [Dolph]

Also, as I'm sure you've figured out by now, the rectifier issue is pretty common on Ducs. Just a crap design that will eventually go bad. Mine crapped out about a month ago.  :P

But again, awesome build.  [thumbsup]

works ok... I think the grounding comes through the wire braiding of the hoses


thanks..  :)

I had the larger diameter cable for the earth and it was still hard to start. So I fitted the positive from the solenoid to starter and its a lot better, but still not as good as I'd like it.
So, I built a 4 pole starter--  http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50076.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=50076.0)
I still havn't fitted it so I dont know if its 'the be all to end all' but when I do I'll update the thread.

yeah been through a few rectifiers...   :(

What are the numbers on the 984 Monsta!?!  [Dolph]

I checked out your bike in Rapid. Nice work.

Subscribed.   [bow_down]

Thanks Koko..  yeah the bike made it to Rapid bike magazine here in Australia...   :D

here's a pic taken for the mag...

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BastrdH...  what numbers?
if you mean dyno, I still havn't got it on yet.
I also havn't got the 4 pole starter on either!!   [bang]

hopefully both be done in the next month or so...   [roll]


oh yeah...  I'll also have the BST carbon wheels fitted up soon to,  they're at the painters having rim stripes painted on...

...Roadhouse

Yeah, dyno numbers!  I am curious.  The BSTs will make a difference on the bike  [Dolph]

wow
My M900 has done 70,000 km is a rebuild worth it
any suggestion of the high milage
what to look out for
thankyou

DETAILS, DAMN YOU!

DETAILS!

+1

 [thumbsup]

Sorry about the lack of detail
I brought the bike and it had 69000 (currently it has 70500km) and it has been looked after
have you heard of other Ducatis and if they were running ok say about 130000 km
My major concern is the high milage but it seems to be  going well
Heres a strange one can a Dievel rear shock fit on the back of a M900 1994 monster
thankyou

Sorry Bertie...

My Details comments were directed to the original poster of this thread & not you.

You might get a more detailed response by PM'ing the original poster & you may get more responses to your questions if you start your own thread...

No idea on a Diavel shock's alternate fitments...

cant help myself... always finding something to do!   ;D

-About 6 months I fitted BST wheels!   I'm sure I don't have to tell you all how good these things are...
-Had the ohlins forks stripped of anodizing and polished to remove the road rash, then re-anodized. came up beautiful!  photo's don't do justice.
- had front guard and rear cowl repainted to expose the carbon fibre.

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q41/monsta904/P1030668_zps3476c861.jpg)

-Finally finished the exhaust, found the power that the Quat D robbed.
http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=55255.0 (http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=55255.0)

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Yes, Dyno will be soon!  :)

WOW - I'm blown away an incredible effort I'll be keeping my eyes out for your bike on the roads of Perth.


P.S. How much to make me one of those engine stands???

If I had that exhaust I would drive my truck over my Zards.....  Really like the open tail, a lot.

The best thing about the Zards is that I am only partially deaf....

Re: swingarm hoop rod ends

Monsta can you tell us where you found those? I can't find proper METRIC stainless rod ends with a copper race and grease fittings here in the land of freeDUMB

Did you try McMaster.com?

Yeah,  I actually had already bought a pair. But I was concerned because these are a 2 piece, self lubricating type instead of having a race and a grease fitting. Was concerned they wouldn't hold up but after calling FK Bearings the engineer I spoke to emphatically recommended this type with the Teflon liner over the greasable type.

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So, never mind Monsta. :)

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Your Monster Monsta is my favourite Monster....

In The World   <<  said in a Jeremy Clarkson voixe


Awesome  [thumbsup]

Thanks Ung!   ;D  [thumbsup]

Buck, I got em here (I had to go through my receipts, killed to many brain cells to remember that!)

http://www.cgb.com.au/selflubricatingrodendsfromfluro.htm?tab=1#TabbedPanels1 (http://www.cgb.com.au/selflubricatingrodendsfromfluro.htm?tab=1#TabbedPanels1)

Cool thanks, that's what I already got!

Wow ...
is the most beautiful monster I have ever seen .. :o :o

Congratulations [bow_down]

FINALLY...
got some dyno figures for ya's
I didn't get the old exhaust or QuatD done back to back because it was done late and me and Justin at pro twin wanted to go home.
So I guess that will never get done because I'm slack!   [roll]
(he was doing me an after hours favor)
Anyhow, Of course I would have like to have got beter figures. But at the end of the day I was just hopeing to get better than 90HP.
Also, its a fairly new Dynojet Dyno and they can be a bit stingy...
We got 92 a few weeks ago until the head studs on the bike started pulling from the case. So I had to fix that and bring it back...
Pretty happy with the Torque though, we all know that thats where the fun is!   [evil]

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I'll be happy if I get anywhere near that!

Is your headlight lowered or is that the stock position?

stock position...

 Holy Moly, that is one pretty Monster! really nice job!

Monsta, can you list out the engine mods/specs?

Yeah, what he said. ;D

performance stuff
-984 big bore, dont know what the compression is, but runs ok on 95 octane fuel.
-ported heads
-standard 43/38 valve's (though longer for the cams)
-VeeTwo '210' torque cams
-Keihin 41mm carbs, long manifolds
-pod filters
-balanced crank
-machined lightened flywheel
-Ally clutch hub/ basket etc..
-Dyna mini coils
-ignitech ignition
 
other stuff
-ceramic coated piston crowns, combustion chamber and exhaust port (to keep the heat out)
-heat dispersing coating on heads/barrels
-low friction coated piston skirts
-modified oil galley to give cooling spray under rear piston

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Thanks, monsta!

Any noticeable difference with those new K&N open top filters?

no.. not really

one of these days, you should take some time to give that bike a proper wash ;)

[laugh]

I always love when this thread pops up. Seriously beautiful bike

Yo Monsta G...if I may humbly ask you for yet another tip...would you happen to know the size and thread pitch of the alloy gland nuts? I'm looking to replace mine with some purty stainless ones like these:

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(http://www.elecdirect.com/images/pageheaders/StainlessSteelCordGrips.jpg)

And as usual I'm far from my home and bike parts when I get this bright idea...so can't check myself. I actually started a thread on this topic awhile back but nobody seemed to know.

I know the OE ones are brass with a plastic insert...did you make these yourself or source them?

M22 x 1.5   [thumbsup]

oh...  and no I didn't make these. They are Vee Two items

What color is the body work?

What brand?

Tri stage?

Dont know DP. all I know is its called 'blood red' 2 pack
I could find out but, I'd just have to ring the painter...

I need to strip my forks as well. Is that type 2 or type 3 anodizing you got there. Do you know what the bike originally came with before you stripped?

Just curious. Don't put yourself out.

Looks great.

👍👍👍

Dont know what type of anodizing, I've never even heard about type 2 or 3!  [roll] pretty happy with how they turned out though...
The forks are off an Aprilia RSV, I think it was a 2004 model. Had to bore the triples, but the stock monster axle fitted.

Them are purrrrrty forks alright. I'm happy with how my black anodizing turned out (incredibly durable! ) but I do get a pang of envy from time to time seeing gold forks...would've had to get gold wheels, brake lines, gas cap, levers, frame plugs etc tho had I gone that route...

Just bumping this great build thread with an update I saw today while flying back into Perth.  An Australian bike magazine 'Rapid Bikes' 100th issue Jan/Feb 2016 'Special 2015 Yearbook'

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In a feature article 'Best of the Best' I came across this:

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Doesn't do it justice but still one of the best Monster I've had the privilege of seeing for real up close. Great job Geoff  [thumbsup]

 [beer]

Thanks Marty   [thumbsup]

I havn't been on this forum for a while. Had other stuff happening...
like new toys!  :)

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I may have some 70mm ceramic coating pipes coming in some that would look awesome on her  ;D

cool... keep me informed.  [thumbsup]

So... here we are, 10 years down the track! Where did that go?  :-\
I dont get here much these day's but I send people here when they ask "what have you done to it?"
Anyhow, I'm going to do a bit of an update. A bit has gone down since the last post here, the ol' girl has been off the road for longer than I want to think about because it 'droped a valve'.
I reckon the round collets weren't to the aggressive 210 grind cams. That has all changed, bigger and WAY better heads, among a few other things...
I'm not getting any younger, but the dirty ol' monsta has continued its path to...  More to follow..

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Ok.  looks like I have a few questions.. What is the best way to post pics?. I thought I attached a pic to that post via dropbox... Doesn't seem to have worked...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rk51jeznrxjif7a/IMG20200729151002.jpg?dl=0

I use flickr for images, I think the FAQ is up to date.... http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=109.0

Looking at that pic and from what I remember, I'm not seeing obvious areas needing improvement, but don't let me stop you!  [thumbsup]

Still one of the best Monsters.
And no tailchop. [thumbsup]

Thanks fella's!  [beer]  Uploading photo's now SD, Thanks

I was gunna do it a bit different this time and put the dyno figures up first!  ;) I tried to get on but he's busy for a bit...

As I said, It's been off the road for a while. Its hard to diagnose why it dropped a valve, but my best guess would be that the round collets let go because of the 210 cams.
Anyhow, I had a set of dual spark heads lying around...  Off they went to http://jprecision.com/ducati/
Welded up and 'D' ported exhausts, CNC ported intake, 38/44 valves and matched inlet manifolds. When they came back they were ceramic coated combustion and exhaust, and heat dispersant coating. Then fitted with IE cams using MBP collets!  ;D  

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50342818493_0fb516af98_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jGC72c)

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These are a comparison of new and old...

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 [thumbsup]
Looking forward to the dyno charts. :D

Well if I was air I'd want to go through those ports!

Looks quite nice, indeed, DYNO CHARTS!

So... thats where it sat... for a long time....
My logic was that I would need a couple of uninterrupted days to get it going. A guru could've done it in half a day. I'm no guru, I have to check things 10 times..
I never found them days!
Anyhow, I noticed that the bike show I entered 10 years ago is on again this year, and it lines up with my days off!  ;D
That was my prompt...
But, while it sat I still found things to buy and make.
I guess the big ticket was the carbon tank. Then, a stripe the same color as the frame then matte clear. The rest of the body work matte cleared as well.
I didn't matte clear the wheels.. I'm thinking they will be harder to clean... What do ya's reckon, leave em or matte?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50343672537_710fb052a8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jGGtU6)

you can see in that pic the motogadget mirrors. https://motogadget.com/shop/de/spiegel.html?___from_store=en  not glass.. polished ally!
Made some bars end to fit mirrors and polished

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Also made a titanium front axle. Found a place local that sells Ti bar...
I actually made two. I had to make the one on my bike different dimensions because of the Aprillia forks. They are very similar though... Even spark eroded the 14mm hex in the end...
I polished the one on my bike before they were sent to anodising. Came up great, almost matched the gold on the ohlins legs...
But this one is standard sizes and not polished. I had pics of the other pre fitting, but cant find them!

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That one is for sale if anyone wants it....

Cruel indeed, tempting a Victorian in stage 4 lock down [laugh]

Nice work though. :)

Perhaps some of the 4-pad calipers might be an improvement, but at the weight I'm guessing for your bike, not likely to amount to much better.

Saw the round versions of those Motogadget mirrors, quite amazing.

Matte clear on the wheels may be a bit harder to clean but it'll hide brake dust better, and it'll better match the other carbon.

Honestly, aesthetic decisions at this altitude are way above my pay grade.  :P

Matt black and black brake dust are a close match :P 

Fantastic bike!

I've never heard of 4 pad calipers.. So.. they're the same but with 4  individual pads for each caliper?
But yeah.. probably not needed.
I went for these mirrors because they can be adjusted sideways a bit. I wanted them tweaked in a fairies fart... others don't do that. They do look good though. There's a youtube vid on how they're made.
Brake dust on matte looks the same!!  I'm learning from you blokes all the time!  [beer]

There's a few more fluffy things done, carbon headlight bucket, painted bezel, mesh grill, made the tail section in carbon. Made a carbon shift link... blah blah blah.

Then... Like I said ages ago, I want to tidy the wiring. I have a mofset reg to go in. I also have a TPS and hall effect ignition pickups from fastbikegear and a M unit blue to go in.
OH yeah... I'll probably lose the rear view cam and re-arrange the dash again..

BUT the big one is the heads!!  now we wait for DYNO 

Your ‘93 was always one of my favorite builds.

Dyno done!!
And.. I'm disappointed!   I'd been telling everyone that it felt way stronger, and I was hoping for 100hp! I guess my arse dyno isn't that accurate!

How wrong I was!  Pretty much the same 90hp that I had and a drop in torque!
The torque, I would have expected a drop or be the same, because the 210 cam's are the 'torque' cams that veetwo make, and I've used the IE 8j cams this time around.
But I really cant understand the power. I expected them head's to do their magic.

I guess the next step is to put the old exhaust back on and see how that feels....  :'(   [shot]

What kind of dyno and software? I use a place with a Dynojet 250i and although the dyno is the same, they have upgraded software with a 10% difference as in 10% lower readings. They own the dyno but lease the licence and software rights which may be periodically upgraded by the mfr. The previous Winpep7 software read 10% higher and earlier versions higher still. The later software is more akin to the Factory Pro dyno readings. It makes longer term comparisons difficult. I have to factor that in with older Vs newer data. So same dyno, same operator, but later software. Something worth checking. There's another dyno up the road with the same dyno but much earlier software which will greatly increase my horsepower ;D. I think the owner kept the old software in order to preserve the relevance of historical data.

Absolutely! No matter how cool it looks, your exhaust robs power.
Only one similar to yours I`ve seen makin serious power is RoadRacing with empty cans.

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I'd have to agree. Exhausts like that can undo a lot of good work upstream. I wonder if it worth contacting Staintune for a set of their big bore headers. You can request a build from their old jigs. I think they were like the stock ones but 45mm with a fancy crossover. There must be some pipes around for maximum effort motors, maybe Spark or Sil Moto.

Other things to consider are manifold work, a custom air box, etc

And some ponies can be found here:
http://www.emeraldm3d.com/articles/cat/projects/post/emr-adj-length-intake/  [evil]

Koko,  yeah, I asked him about the dyno, could it need re-calibrating?, has anything changed?
He just gave me that smile that said 'dont be a dickhead Geoff'  :)
He's been around for a while...https://www.protwin.com.au/dyno-tuning
So, Staintune are still in businesses... I'd love to get a set of spaghetti headers...

GM, Yeah I kinda knew that, but I 'might' be a bit biased though because I made it.  ;D  I know its better than the QD one because I had one of those.
And I had a RR one as well, but the ground clearance is crap...
Interesting link, I'll have a good read later.

On another note. The Italian bike show was on again yesterday, and the dirty ol' monsta did it again.
'Best custom' and runner up 'best 85-99'   [Dolph] 8) 

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Nice haul!  8)

Well done again.

My dyno bloke had complaints about "horsepower loss", and lower readings than other dynos as his is stingy now after a software update. The before and after are what matters.

The big bore Staintunes that mimick the stock pipes might be as good or better than any spaghetti system, since the stock pipes do a surprisingly great job.