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Moto Board => Accessories & Mods => Topic started by: dansamp on May 04, 2010, 01:49:52 PM



Title: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: dansamp on May 04, 2010, 01:49:52 PM
Does anyone make an upgrade for the older Monsters
I am looking to upgrade my suspension etc. and am having trouble finding
an aftermarket triple clamp set up for my M900
I contacted Speedy Moto and they couldn't help
I can't even upgrade to SBK forks because nobody even makes a top clamp
much less the bottom one  :-[

any suggestions

apparently the earlier Monsters had a different steering angle than the 2nd generation etc

any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Dan. [roll]


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 04, 2010, 01:52:34 PM
Search, chief!

I've been there, done this many times over.

You can get a top and bottom triple clamp - billet aluminum from the Costas in Italy via IMA S.r.L. (http://www.imasrl.com (http://www.imasrl.com)). They are great to work with - and cost is fantastic. They can do boring for standard Monsters 50/54, SBK 53/53, and Ohlins 53/56.

Here's a shot of my bike (which is also featured on their website):

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S-BnWZsE7MI/AAAAAAAAFnA/_cOgtPs7fhM/s800/IMG_2292.JPG)


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 04, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
My bike is a 1999 - so same stuff as you got. We've got tapered steering bearings from the factory. The IMA triples still have accommodations for the standard Monster style bar, though I run clipons.

I used to have a CycleCat top triple, which was nice. It was lighter than the IMA SrL top triple, but also not as thick, nor did it come with a bottom triple.

Also, the IMA triples are at a 30mm offset (still a direct bolt on, mind you - of course you'd be installing new steering head bearings when swapping bottom triples, and its good regular maintenance anyhow)... This is the same offset as the newer Monsters (02+).


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 04, 2010, 01:58:13 PM
Shot of the top triple while I was working on the bike:

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S8vc0OIJCrI/AAAAAAAAFfQ/sf_BY7ySh7U/s800/IMG_2227.JPG)

And a better lighting picture to show the bottom triple's beefiness, during install before I bolted up the U-bracket for the headlight, etc:

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/SwNLbkSnVBI/AAAAAAAAEsY/Yk13o-wZkDw/s800/IMG_1871.JPG)


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: Düb Lüv on May 04, 2010, 02:37:22 PM
+1 on the IMA triples.

for the price you can't beat it, especially compared to others like motowheels own brand. they can do special boring for an extra 40 euro. i'm going to have some bored for my r6 forks.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: dansamp on May 04, 2010, 04:02:42 PM
wow,
thanks for the info,
ideally I would like to get some 1098/848 style forks and also upgrade the brakes and rotors
obviously I would have to change wheels as well

speaking to the guy at speedy motor (he was very generous with his time)
the 1st generation Monsters had a 27 degree offset and then they changed to 30 degree
is it possible to still have the 27 degree offset when upgrading
I believe the 27 degree would be quicker steering ????

again thanks for the info

Dan.,


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: dansamp on May 04, 2010, 04:08:10 PM
Question for a m .
did you notice a difference in the steering with the bigger bottom triple clamp ???

the guy at Speedy Moto said I had quite a bit of things to upgrade before I would "need" a stiffer triple clamp

Dan.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 04, 2010, 04:21:54 PM
wow,
thanks for the info,
ideally I would like to get some 1098/848 style forks and also upgrade the brakes and rotors
obviously I would have to change wheels as well
This wouldn't be an issue - I believe those Showas are also 53/53. So no big difference here. You'd need to change brakes to ones that fit radial mounts (spendy, but on eBay - check GothamCycles and our parts classifieds), you'd need a new axle to and a new wheel, rotors for the wheel, and don't forget your front tire in the replacement cost projection. The triples are going to be right in line with the costs of everything else, surprisingly.

speaking to the guy at speedy motor (he was very generous with his time)
the 1st generation Monsters had a 27 degree offset and then they changed to 30 degree
is it possible to still have the 27 degree offset when upgrading
I believe the 27 degree would be quicker steering ????

again thanks for the info

Dan.,

The first gen is more like 25mm.  30mm feels fantastic, fwiw.

Question for a m .
did you notice a difference in the steering with the bigger bottom triple clamp ???

the guy at Speedy Moto said I had quite a bit of things to upgrade before I would "need" a stiffer triple clamp

Dan.

The top triple is more for looks than for stiffness. The bottom triple, on the other hand, is what the steering stem is connected to, which is what connects the forks to the steering head at the frame. I see the bottom triple as doing all the work - When you brake - the force is applied predominately to the lower triple, to the frame. Yes, some is sent through the stem to the top triple as well, but the bottom seems to be the work horse.

So I would disagree with SpeedyMoto guy. The bottom triple is a great part to upgrade. Especially if you were looking at doing a conversion to superbike forks to get their superior valving to begin with, as well as radial brakes and the options for more "current" wheels.  It is a prime time to do the triples - which will cost you around or under $500 for the set, in black, silver or gold, and in the appropriate boring size, and you'll retain the ability to use stock headlight mount, gauge mount, and stock bars (if you choose to).


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: dansamp on May 04, 2010, 05:22:10 PM
a m ,
you say the 30mm feels fantastic,
does it steer quicker or is it that it may be more stable in corners ??

Dan.

I am looking to make it the best it can be but I do have a limited cash flow

I spent quite a bit upgrading my '95 900 SS/SP with SBK forks and ohlins shock etc, etc
and then I totalled it on the track


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 04, 2010, 05:38:40 PM
Hard to say just how much the triples changed handling as I also raised the rear ride height considerably. The bike is quite quick turning right now.

Living where I do now, I haven't found many high speed sweepers to see how well it finishes or how stable it really is. Dallas just doesn't have enough long curvy roads, at least not that I've found.

Its also difficult for me to give good comparison feed back from my Monster to another now that little remaining is stock - I'd say it steers like an M1000 (non-S2) with the rear ride height jacked up, but with clipons. And it spins up much faster. And its rackety-er. But it also has a different frame and suspension setup making comparison not so good to begin with.

As I see it, the extended offset has slightly lengthened my wheel base. Ever so slightly. That would add stability. But, the longer offset decreases overall trail, increasing steering quickness and losing a bit of stability. The jacked up rear ride height loses some wheelbase, puts my weight further forward, and also changes rake since the entire frame should pivot in a clockwise direction towards the front end.

More complicated than I can explain very well without making wild hand gestures and drinking a little bit. It seems to ride well. I may remove the additional ride-height spacers since I have an adjustable corsa rocker now. It can do the same work, weighs less and would eliminate the need for such things I believe.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: Some Dude on May 04, 2010, 06:06:17 PM
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More complicated than I can explain very well without making wild hand gestures and drinking a little bit

This should be in your signature because it's awesome  [drink] [drink]


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 04, 2010, 06:13:11 PM
what we need is a more extensive writeup about your bike, before we get to things like who shot john.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: Mojo S2R on May 04, 2010, 10:11:15 PM
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4iYlZ1m8UEM/S-BnWZsE7MI/AAAAAAAAFnA/_cOgtPs7fhM/s800/IMG_2292.JPG)

Wow!  Beautiful.   [thumbsup]


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: brad black on May 05, 2010, 01:42:53 AM
ima ones are good from the set i fitted to a customer's bike, and cheaper than you might expect.

and it's not really a case of need as such.  if you're going fast enough to flex the std ones you're doing a few things at a more intense level than the original design was intended for i believe.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: crimsoncloak on May 05, 2010, 06:21:26 AM
I have a set of triples for this kind of thing.  Setup for Ohlins (53/56) with 30mm offset (works good with a jacked up rear ride height).  Dimensionally similar to the standard item, but billet aluminum and black anodized.

I had them listed here for a while but they never found the right buyer I guess.  Lemme know if you'd like them.  I could do $390 + shipping.  Or I always like partial trades for Superbike or M1100 parts.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 05, 2010, 07:48:31 AM
I could do $390 + shipping. 

but that's not even close to a deal. brand new from IMA they are hardly more than that. That's like saving 50-75 bucks but having to fork out more money on ohlins, which cost more but work less good than Showa's with Ohlins internals.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: dansamp on May 05, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
I found motowheels has a billet bottom triple available
does anyone have any experience with the MW I guess that is their in house brand

 
http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1204%7CMonster&productID=5091&showDetail=1&categoryID=126 (http://www.motowheels.com/italian/myProducts.cfm?parentcategoryid=1204%7CMonster&productID=5091&showDetail=1&categoryID=126)|Monster%20Suspension&vendoridtodisplay=0&filterFor=&collection=168%7CEuropean%20Motorcycle%20Parts


a m :
if you are doing away with your rear ride height adjusters could I possibly take them off your hands ??

Dan..


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 05, 2010, 12:32:56 PM
Its going to be quite a long time before I do that, but sure - we can work a deal. Going to be next winter before I start to pull the ol' suspension apart.


Haven't had any experience with the MW triple - the price kept me away for long enough until I discovered the IMA stuff - then I jumped. A full set for less than the price of the MW lower. Not sure if the MW lower is still available, or if its erroneously listed on their site either. Been a long time since a bike that would use it was made, so... They could be out of stock and out of supplier at this point.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: crimsoncloak on May 06, 2010, 09:31:45 AM
Holy crap...I had no idea there were $450 dollar triples out there.  Cheapest ones I could find when I had mine made were like $850.

Where were you guys when I needed you???? ;)

Looks like I'll be ummmmm "adjusting" the price a bit this evening.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: Düb Lüv on May 06, 2010, 09:45:38 AM
this is a double post from me, but this is how IMA broke the price down for me. if you live in the u.s., you don't pay VAT. the special boring is for my bottom triple(52mm).

Kit mod.1                           270 EUR
shipping cost                        70 EUR
Special boring                      40 EUR
payment trasfer cost (Paypal)         4%
                                     --------------
Total                                  395,20 EUR x 1,34 = 529,56 USD

Gold is 240 EUR (discount).

here's the site if you can't find it
http://www.imasrl.com/ENG/special-parts.asp (http://www.imasrl.com/ENG/special-parts.asp)


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 06, 2010, 10:01:54 AM
Holy crap...I had no idea there were $450 dollar triples out there.  Cheapest ones I could find when I had mine made were like $850.

Where were you guys when I needed you???? ;)

Looks like I'll be ummmmm "adjusting" the price a bit this evening.

I hear you. But, if its for the older Monsters, and its out there - I've done my best to "know" about it. ;)


My cost was 270+70 (no special boring - standard 50/54 Monster forks since my forks are the adjust Showas, I chose not to upgrade) = 340 euros.  - Black Anodized.


Also to note, they speak great English. I went to the trouble in my first few emails to translate into Italian and include it below the English. But they responded in English and we had no trouble discussing options. I've posted up all about this before, so you may be able to find some more information if you search.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: dansamp on May 07, 2010, 04:46:09 AM
a m,
you mentioned earlier in this thread that the triples you have are 30 mm steering angle
does this mean that any later monster triple will fit into the older monster frame ??


Dan.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 07, 2010, 06:33:01 AM
Negatory - they use a different steering stem size.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: dansamp on May 14, 2010, 10:51:02 AM
OK,
just an update

I received my 848 forks  ;D

need to find a wheel
can someone let me know what wheels fit 848 forks
other than 848 ??

I need to find all other parts as well, brake calipers, rotors , brake lines etc

I am trying to order the triple clamps but am having trouble filling out the form not sure what fiscal code or vat code is  ???

thanks for the help

Dan.. [moto]



Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: crimsoncloak on May 19, 2010, 07:59:27 AM
749/999/S4RS/1098/1198/StreetFighter/M1100 wheels fit 848 forks.  Brake diameter varies, but I actually prefer the way the 320mm discs feel.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: dansamp on May 19, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
Thanks for the reply,
so now I need to decide if I go the route MonsterMash went and use a non 848 wheel so I can still run my speedo drive
or do I change out the speedo and go with something from motogadgets and go with an all 848 front end ???

any suggestions there ??

I am most likely going with the new O.Z. wheels
their forged Al seem to be the best bang for the buck

Dan


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: uglyducky on May 22, 2010, 05:07:44 PM
Wow!  Beautiful.   [thumbsup]
yeah, gross. and by gross i mean sick.  and by sick i mean retarded.  and by retarded i mean nasty.  and by nasty i mean disgusting.  and by disgusting i mean . . . well you get it.  pretty motorcycle.


Title: Re: looking for upgrade for 1998 M900 triple clamps
Post by: junior varsity on May 23, 2010, 08:51:44 AM
its a hobby. err sickness. gauges and wheels next. internal motor work this winter. pretty much blinged out.


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