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Title: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 16, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
Just wondering if this is a common problem.
Thanks!
J.P. in VA Beach


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Alexandre on March 16, 2009, 01:19:24 PM
no boobies?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Grampa on March 16, 2009, 01:20:52 PM
noobs    [roll]





 [laugh]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: pennyrobber on March 16, 2009, 01:27:42 PM
This poll is truely flawed.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: stopintime on March 16, 2009, 01:41:48 PM
What is it "they" put in your US gas - and why?

Norway, Europe - never heard of this problem locally ???


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 16, 2009, 01:57:02 PM
"They " decided to put good old American Corn in the tanks. It's politics.
Pennyrobber- what's wrong, I'll fix it!


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: c_rex on March 16, 2009, 02:07:22 PM
Transcribed from 'Outdoor Life' magazine, the following article was written to educate boat owners of the impact our 'new' fuels are having on marine motors.  As the fuel we use in our motorcycles is the same, and the mechanics of the motor greatly similar it is likely that we are getting similar problems as boat owners, including tank distortions.  Note that the author refers to additives.  These are not octane boosters but stabilizers specifically meant to counter the effects of ethanol in fuel.

E= Exasperation Squared

Ethanol can make for expensive outboard repairs, unless you understand the chemistry.
By Terry Gibson

Last year, a change in diet- thanks to the recent addition of ethanol in Florida gasoline- made my super-reliable 2000 Suzuki HP sick as hell.  What an expensive mechanical misadventure!  I had the fuel line, filter and screens changed twice, which helped for about a week.  Then she seemed gas-starved again.  The new filter was already clogged up and full of water.  The screens and injectors were fouled, again.  When I took the boat in to St. Lucie Outboard Marine, my local Suzuki dealer, owners Bud and Vicky Tillman knew exactly what was causing the problem: ethanol.

OIL AND WATER
If you let ethanol sit in the tank for more than about eight weeks, especially in climates where there are dramatic swings in temperature and humidity, "phase separation" will occur.
Gasoline and ethanol molecules form a weak, or non-polar, bond.  Water and ethanol form a strong, polar bond.  Unless you keep the tank filled to the brim and add a fuel stabilizer, water molecules from condensation will bond with ethanol, break the weak bond with gasoline and drag the ethanol and its octane-enhancing benefits with it.  Deprived of the additive the now-weakened fuel will float to the surface.

GUMMED UP
Senior Honda Marine engineer Vernon Gabbert calls ethanol "an exceptional cleaner."  What a backhanded compliment!  It's a varnish that dissolves any gunk in the tank, including rust caused by condensation.  Ethanol even dissolves fiberglass fuel tanks, so if you're in the market, buy a boat with a metal tank.  If you buy a new boat or if ethanol is coming to a pump near you, have your mechanic drain the fuel and swab out the tank.  Otherwise, water and crud will foul the fuel system.  once they're in, no outboard, regardless of age, make or model, can run much above idle, if at all.

LOW OCTANE
All outboards are certified to run on e-10 fuels, unlike some cars, which can use the E-85 Flex Fuel.  E-10 fuel is also 28 percent less efficient than pure gasoline, and can cause outboards to bog down.  It loses even more juice as phase separation occurs.  If you run an E-10, 87-octane mix, you might experience knocking- a cause for other serious mechanical issues.  Exceeding 10 percent ethanol content can void the engine's warranty.  Spring for the highest-octane fuel you can find, and avoid additives with ethanol.

8 OUNCES OF PREVENTION
Since finding pure gasoline is becoming difficult, mechanics recommend keeping the laced fuel fresh and keeping screens and filters clean and water-free.  Clear Racor filters allow you to see when they need to be cleaned.
Keep your tank filled to the brim to reduce condensation, and add the fuel stabilizer Star Tron, by Starbrite, at each fill-up.  like microscopic Pac-Men, its between water and ethanol, preventing phase separation for up to one year.  It even rehabilitates degraded fuel- to a degree.  Its benefits are longer when you run your boat, because the enzymes spread throughout the tank when the fuel is sloshing around.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: pennyrobber on March 16, 2009, 02:29:59 PM
"They " decided to put good old American Corn in the tanks. It's politics.
Pennyrobber- what's wrong, I'll fix it!

I was just jumping on the "why is there no boobies option" band wagon.  [thumbsup] I put in my vote in the poll though.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 16, 2009, 02:35:58 PM
I'd show you mine, but I doubt if you'd want to see a set of man-boobs.  :P


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Duck-Stew on March 16, 2009, 03:06:25 PM
I edited the poll to allow for multiple votes as my g/f's 620 has multiple issues with her plastic tank.   [bang]  At least it's not leaking.....





(yet)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 16, 2009, 03:35:47 PM
Cool- atleast it's not leaking...yet.
Wish we could add in the age of the bikes- mine didn't show any signs until 2.5 years old.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: NorDog on March 16, 2009, 04:32:55 PM
I have 3500 miles on my S4RS and no problems yet, except that it isn't clear coated.  While removing the glue residue from the recently removed factory sticker on the tank my thumbnail scapped away a bit of the "white" racing stripe.   [bang]

Oh, that, and I can't use a magnetic tank bag.   [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Smokescreen on March 16, 2009, 05:10:47 PM
hey!  my magnetic tank bag won't stay on either!  Why isn't that on the poll


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 16, 2009, 05:16:25 PM
plastic tanks have a bladder liner that is SUPPOSED to be impervious to ethanol....


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: NorDog on March 16, 2009, 08:49:54 PM
Oh, that, and it only holds about 3 fluid ounces of gasoline (less when you factor in the ethynol).   [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Big Troubled Bear on March 16, 2009, 11:44:44 PM
Can`t see mine it`s under the plastic skins ???


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 17, 2009, 09:38:55 AM
plastic tanks have a bladder liner that is SUPPOSED to be impervious to ethanol....

I would have never guessed.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 17, 2009, 09:42:55 AM
seems to me that you could re-coat or supplementally coat the inside of a plastic tank easily.  I wonder if POR or Hirsch's coatings will adhere?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 17, 2009, 06:15:11 PM
plastic tanks have a bladder liner <snip>l....
I hate to say this...

but...

...cough...bullshit...cough. Ever looked inside one?

The Duc tanks supplied by Acerbis are purported (meaning I have no quotable source) to be multi layers of different types of plastic. The inner being more resilient to fuel and the outer being more readily paintable. It makes sense to me as the things are almost a 1/4 " thick.

But what do I know?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 17, 2009, 06:42:07 PM
I hate to say this...

but...

...cough...bullshit...cough. Ever looked inside one?

The Duc tanks supplied by Acerbis are purported (meaning I have no quotable source) to be multi layers of different types of plastic. The inner being more resilient to fuel and the outer being more readily paintable. It makes sense to me as the things are almost a 1/4 " thick.

But what do I know?

maybe "bladder" isn't the right word for it as i thought it to be permanently adhered to the inside surface -- put adhesive inside, put a balloon like thing in and inflate it so it is in contact, then leave it overnight, voila, cut the ends off...

but anything is possible, i would imagine they've even changed since they were started


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 17, 2009, 07:01:28 PM
maybe "bladder" isn't the right word for it as i thought it to be permanently adhered to the inside surface -- put adhesive inside, put a balloon like thing in and inflate it so it is in contact, then leave it overnight, voila, cut the ends off...

but anything is possible, i would imagine they've even changed since they were started
It really looks like raw plastic inside.

No other materials involved.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 17, 2009, 07:45:54 PM
It really looks like raw plastic inside.

No other materials involved.

i wonder if they've done some tweaking on them..

mine has a funky bit of "skin" looking material that goes under the filler assy.  it is separated a little at the top, but it looks like it is pretty stuck to the inside, if it is a separate piece.

mine is an early '05 S2R, which i believe was the first ones that got them...


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 18, 2009, 04:48:20 AM
i wonder if they've done some tweaking on them..

mine has a funky bit of "skin" looking material that goes under the filler assy.  it is separated a little at the top, but it looks like it is pretty stuck to the inside, if it is a separate piece.

mine is an early '05 S2R, which i believe was the first ones that got them...
I don't remember the years of the ones I've done.

What color is the material you're referring to?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 18, 2009, 05:12:21 AM
I don't remember the years of the ones I've done.

What color is the material you're referring to?

it's white


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 18, 2009, 05:20:59 AM
it's white
From what I've seen on the insides I think you're seeing a molding 'flash' (for lack of a better term)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 18, 2009, 05:26:50 AM
From what I've seen on the insides I think you're seeing a molding 'flash' (for lack of a better term)

molding flash wouldn't peel, this stuff peeled when i pulled a little on it, but it didn't tear...it has a different texture than the tank where it seems to attach.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 18, 2009, 06:08:49 AM
molding flash wouldn't peel, this stuff peeled when i pulled a little on it, but it didn't tear...it has a different texture than the tank where it seems to attach.
Hmmm...

maybe you're right...they tweaked them a little to make them cheaper better...yeah that's it. :P


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: fasterblkduc on March 18, 2009, 08:17:11 AM
I work in Reasearch and Development with fuel filtration. I'm what you might call an expert regarding fuel filtration. I can tell you from the work that I've done and research that I've done regarding all types of bio fuels, that they are pure junk. In fact, I'm starting a new project with biodiesel next week that I'm not looking forward to :P
It's great that alternative fuels are being developed but I could go on all day about the issues that most all of these fuels are known for. Filtering bio fuels, especially water seperation, is such a huge challenge that it is a nightmare for filter companies. Since politics is driving the market towards the use of bio fuels, (politics, not demand) it creates an opportunity to figure out how to filter this garbage.
I don't want to go political with this, I just wanted to say that I'm more aware of the issues that these fuels bring than the average person and I can't stand the fact that it is being forced on us. These bio fuels cost more to produce, are much less efficient, some polute more, grow organisms much faster, bond very well with water, and just plain wreak havoc with engines in a nasty variety of ways.
The pasted article about boat motors and tanks does not surprise me at all. The issues with plastic motorcycle tanks does not surprise me either. I try my best to spread the word about the harmful effects of biofuels. I can't give up much technical info since I'm in R&D (and typing this from work [roll]), but I can say that it's bad stuff, and everyone should be very concerned that we are forced to use it.
Oh, and if you think it's a good idea to convert your diesel to a vegetable oil burner... [laugh]  I hope you don't expect your engine to last very long.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 18, 2009, 11:02:04 AM
Oh, and if you think it's a good idea to convert your diesel to a vegetable oil burner... [laugh]  I hope you don't expect your engine to last very long.

My 1986 Ford Ranger diesel's prior (and first) owner converted it to run WVO in 1989 or 90 and he put 280k miles on it driving to McDonalds every week to fill up.  I can burn either SVO or regular petrodiesel with no problems, I just have to add antigel and antibacterial to the SVO.

It has a Mitsubishi 4D55T engine with the original factory seal on it (same rings, valves, etc etc) just replaced the injectors, belts and normal maintenance.

I know some diesel engines have issues with vege oil, but not all do.

Don't forget that Rudolf Diesel designed his engine to run peanut oil. 

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/ranger/amarmi134a.jpg)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/ducatiz/ranger/amarmi136a.jpg)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 18, 2009, 11:19:10 AM
Maybe we should file a complaint w/ the NHTSA.gov site like the sport classic guys did.
They all seem to be getting new tanks.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: pennyrobber on March 18, 2009, 11:29:13 AM
Maybe we should file a complaint w/ the NHTSA.gov site like the sport classic guys did.
They all seem to be getting new tanks.


Man those sport classic guys are cry babies.  :'(

 ;D


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: mitt on March 18, 2009, 12:31:26 PM
Maybe we should file a complaint w/ the NHTSA.gov site like the sport classic guys did.
They all seem to be getting new tanks.


To me, if any of this tank deformation can be proven to cause a gas leak near hot or electrical parts, the NHTSA would slam dunk it.

mitt


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 18, 2009, 02:33:42 PM
To me, if any of this tank deformation can be proven to cause a gas leak near hot or electrical parts, the NHTSA would slam dunk it.

mitt
God forbid.
Don't feel like seeing the Ghost Rides on a Duc.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Old-Duckman on March 18, 2009, 03:08:14 PM
So according to the poll, about 1/3 are not having problems. 2/3s with some degree of problem is a huge number, you would think that Ducati would just about have to do something. The Sport Classic bikes having their tanks replaced  is encouraging.

Slightly different question here. I bought a used plastic tank from a guy on the list, got a good price and planned to just do a different paint scheme on if for when the mood struck for a different look...Anyway I am now wondering if there is any product like POR-15 or Kreem that might work as a treatment to avoid problems with the extra tank?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Ivan on March 18, 2009, 04:08:49 PM

Maybe this belongs in a separate thread/poll, but another post got me to thinking:


Of those that are having problems, how many have removed the insulation pad from the underside of the tank?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Statler on March 18, 2009, 04:19:31 PM
Maybe this belongs in a separate thread/poll, but another post got me to thinking:


Of those that are having problems, how many have removed the insulation pad from the underside of the tank?

pad still there.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 18, 2009, 04:21:06 PM
i have no problems and i removed the acoustic pad.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 18, 2009, 05:39:40 PM
So according to the poll, about 1/3 are not having problems. 2/3s with some degree of problem is a huge number, you would think that Ducati would just about have to do something. The Sport Classic bikes having their tanks replaced  is encouraging.

Slightly different question here. I bought a used plastic tank from a guy on the list, got a good price and planned to just do a different paint scheme on if for when the mood struck for a different look...Anyway I am now wondering if there is any product like POR-15 or Kreem that might work as a treatment to avoid problems with the extra tank?
Is the problem fuel...or heat related? ;)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: needtorque on March 18, 2009, 06:28:39 PM
Guys a suggestion here too.  When saying whether you have the problem or not you should list the following.

Model year
Fuel (with/without corn ;D)
Original tank or not
With/without undertank pad
If distortion has occurred and where
Region of the country (or world)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Gus Duc on March 18, 2009, 10:01:04 PM
06 S2R1K

Tank is longer & wider.  Bars hit tank but lock still works.  Pad on right side barely touchs the frame.

16,000 miles.  Tank pad still in place.

Fuel quality............ who knows here in So Cal ???


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: corey on March 19, 2009, 05:43:08 AM
So according to the poll, about 1/3 are not having problems. 2/3s with some degree of problem is a huge number, you would think that Ducati would just about have to do something. The Sport Classic bikes having their tanks replaced  is encouraging.

Slightly different question here. I bought a used plastic tank from a guy on the list, got a good price and planned to just do a different paint scheme on if for when the mood struck for a different look...Anyway I am now wondering if there is any product like POR-15 or Kreem that might work as a treatment to avoid problems with the extra tank?

not so sure about por-15 + plastic.
that stuff is best for bare metal application.
also, if it's classic por-15 (and not a top coat like their Black-Kote system), then it's also UV sensitive as well. It will start to look shitty after some hard time in sunlight.

on the other hand, my dad has made patch panels for small holes in the trunk floor of 69 pontiac with POR-15 soaked strips of a cloth... works great.
the stuff is bullet proof.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 19, 2009, 06:33:10 AM

also, if it's classic por-15 (and not a top coat like their Black-Kote system), then it's also UV sensitive as well. It will start to look shitty after some hard time in sunlight.

how much sunlight does the inside of your gas tank get??


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: fasterblkduc on March 19, 2009, 07:29:40 AM
My 1986 Ford Ranger diesel's prior (and first) owner converted it to run WVO in 1989 or 90 and he put 280k miles on it driving to McDonalds every week to fill up.  I can burn either SVO or regular petrodiesel with no problems, I just have to add antigel and antibacterial to the SVO.

It has a Mitsubishi 4D55T engine with the original factory seal on it (same rings, valves, etc etc) just replaced the injectors, belts and normal maintenance.

I know some diesel engines have issues with vege oil, but not all do.

Don't forget that Rudolf Diesel designed his engine to run peanut oil. 



That's very cool and don't get me wrong, not every situation is the same. You can get by with it on some older engines like yours and it looks like yours was  broken in before the conversion. On new engines, forget about it. In fact a lot of new diesels have issues with all fuels because of the extremely tight tolerances in engine manufacturing. Trying these alternative fuels on a new engine is a guaranteed disaster.
Trust me, my job is growing because of these issues.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 19, 2009, 10:33:13 AM
I have a dimple on the top rt. side of my tank. exactly like the two on the left cut-outs, in the ripples. Latch barely scrapes by the ign switch, and its widening.
June 06 s2r 1k w/ 4200 miles. Mostly stock.
Tank probs appeared this past fall all of a sudden.
Loc: VA.
Lives under cover, but outside.
Fuel- you can only get corn stuff here. 
Paint on the right engine case bubbling bad. Rear brake looses bleed every 4 months. If it wasn't so much fun to ride- I'd dump it.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: arai_speed on March 19, 2009, 02:33:17 PM
...

Fuel quality............ who knows here in So Cal ???

From what I have seen - most carry around 10% ethanol.

My stats:

Model year: S4RS/2007
Fuel (with/without corn) 10% ethanol
Original tank or not: Original
With/without undertank pad: With
If distortion has occurred and where: Yes - right side front, right side mid, right side lower
Region of the country (or world): SoCal

When I took the bike in I noticed 3 spots, a new one has appeared since then  :(


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: PizzaMonster on March 19, 2009, 03:08:21 PM
It will be a few more weeks before I can dig mine out of winter storage and look at it closely.  If the poll is still open then I will take a look and report.  Truth be told..it's always been a bit of a pain to lock back in place but I don't think its deformed yet. 

In other news...... I just noticed a new sticker on the pump at my regular filling station that now reads, "May contain up to 10% ethanol".  Here we go. [roll]



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: arai_speed on March 19, 2009, 03:16:28 PM
..
In other news...... I just noticed a new sticker on the pump at my regular filling station that now reads, "May contain up to 10% ethanol".  Here we go. [roll]



Yup - that's what I've seen here in SoCal.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 19, 2009, 04:12:49 PM
the boat guys use StarTron or Stabil-Marine to protect against E10 problems. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: lawbreaker on March 19, 2009, 06:12:03 PM
06 S2R1K

Tank is longer & wider.  Bars hit tank but lock still works.  Pad on right side barely touchs the frame.

16,000 miles.  Tank pad still in place.

Fuel quality............ who knows here in So Cal ???

same year,same bike......

2nd tank now after warranty replacement due to dimpling on right side.....

Now this tank is starting to dimple/ripple on the left side and the right side tank pad barely touches the frame... [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: He Man on March 19, 2009, 07:24:05 PM
Dear Mr. Xi He,

 

Thank you for contacting Ducati North America.

 

We are sorry to learn of the concern you are experiencing with your Ducati S2R 1000.  Due to the complex nature of technical issues a proper diagnosis cannot be made, via email, by Ducati Customer Service.  In order to ensure that the concerns with your S2R 1000 are properly diagnosed, and to determine if this fuel tank concern is covered under the 5 year emissions warranty,  it is necessary to have your motorcycle inspected by an authorized Ducati dealership.  To find your nearest Authorized Dealership, please visit http://www.ducatiusa.com (http://www.ducatiusa.com) and click on "Dealer Locator" or call us toll free at 1-800-231-6696 and follow the voice prompts.

 

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

 

Best regards,


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 20, 2009, 04:25:46 AM
Dear Mr. Xi He,

 

Thank you for contacting Ducati North America.

 

We are sorry to learn of the concern you are experiencing with your Ducati S2R 1000.  Due to the bullshit nature of technical issues a proper diagnosis cannot be made, via email, by Ducati Customer Service, nor will we even try.  In order to ensure that the concerns with your S2R 1000 are properly ignored, and to determine if this fuel tank concern is covered under the 5 year emissions warranty or if you have to sue us,  it is necessary to have your motorcycle inspected by an authorized Ducati dealership.  To find your nearest Authorized Dealership, please visit http://www.ducatiusa.com (http://www.ducatiusa.com) and click on "Dealer Locator" or call us toll free at 1-800-231-6696 and follow the voice prompts.

 

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

 

Best regards,


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 20, 2009, 08:13:19 AM
Wow- hate it when they tell you that your aren't qualified to tell your bike is f-ed up.

Also- interresting read on Ducati.ms Sport Classics site. After some 18 members filled out the complaint form on the US Gov't highway safety site, several inspectors were sent out to inspect some of the bikes. One of whom ownes a paul smart ed.
Dna has been replacing their tanks on expired warrenty bikes since atleast December. Didn't read the whole thread as its 22 pp. But their poll results are almost identical to ours.
Bottom line- it will eventually happen to every tank- so they say.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: angler on March 20, 2009, 08:38:42 AM
Dear Mr. Xi He,

 

Thank you for contacting Ducati North America.

 

We are sorry to learn of the concern you are experiencing with your Ducati S2R 1000.  Due to the complex nature of technical issues a proper diagnosis cannot be made, via email, by Ducati Customer Service.  In order to ensure that the concerns with your S2R 1000 are properly diagnosed, and to determine if this fuel tank concern is covered under the 5 year emissions warranty,  it is necessary to have your motorcycle inspected by an authorized Ducati dealership.  To find your nearest Authorized Dealership, please visit http://www.ducatiusa.com (http://www.ducatiusa.com) and click on "Dealer Locator" or call us toll free at 1-800-231-6696 and follow the voice prompts.

 

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

 

Best regards,

I got the exact same form letter when I contacted them.  I then called my local dealer and they contacted DNA.  DNA told them no dice on a warranty as the tank expansion is my fault.  I obviously can't keep my vent line clean and all the pressure has the tank all bloated  [roll]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 20, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
I got the exact same form letter when I contacted them.  I then called my local dealer and they contacted DNA.  DNA told them no dice on a warranty as the tank expansion is my fault.  I obviously can't keep my vent line clean and all the pressure has the tank all bloated  [roll]


how the make the beast with two backs is tank expansion your fault????

does the owner's manual say aythign about keeping your vent line clean?  if not, they are full of shit.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: angler on March 20, 2009, 10:25:20 AM
Yeah. Exactly.  I may try a different dealer....


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on March 20, 2009, 11:01:30 AM
This worked for the Sport Classic guys- the investigators even reviewed the related posts on the Ducati.ms board. The Man did respond and is aware of the tank issue on SC's- I saw no complaints filed for monsters.
Has anyone had any good news from DNA before we make this a safety issue and involve the authorities? If not I'll send mine in tonight.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm (http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: corey on March 24, 2009, 11:35:04 AM
bump on this... anyone heard anything? i just noticed my tank is getting a little 'off' on the one frame pad, and the latch is impossible to use without a screwdriver (or my girlfriends tiny fingers)...


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 24, 2009, 11:38:40 AM
i may need to change my vote......

the latch on mine seems to have "moved" closer to the keyswitch...  it was almost impossible to get closed.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: skurvy on March 29, 2009, 09:40:23 AM
06 S2R Dark
Shell 89 w/ethanol
2nd tank
with tank pad
ripples on top/sides
USA Mid Atlantic

I'm on my second tank now. First one was changed out by the dealer under warranty around 12,xxx miles. I'm now at 21,xxx miles and the 2nd tank is now also showing some defects. After reading this thread I contacted DNA to see what could be done. All they said was, "refer to your owners manual under the emissions section". I tried to explain and they just replied with the same answer.

(taken from p. 83 of the Owner's Manual)
Ducati limited warranty on emission control system

Ducati North America, Inc, warrants that each new 1998 and later Ducati motorcycle, that includes as standard equipment a headlight, tail-light and stoplight, and is street legal:
...is free from defects in material and workmanship which cause such motorcycle to fail to conform with applicable regulations of the United States Environment Agency or the California Air Resources Board for a period of use depending on the engine displacement of 12,000 kilometers (7,456 miles), if the motorcycle's engine displacement is less than 170 cubic centimeters; 18,000 kilometers (11,185 miles), if the motorcycle's engine displacement is equal to or greater than 170 cubic centimeters but less than 280 cubic centimeters; or of 30,000 kilometers (18,641 miles), if the motorcycle's engine displacement is 280 cubic centimeters or greater; or 5 (five) years from the date of initial retail delivery, whichever first occurs.


I guess I'll stop by the dealer next week to see what they say. i doubt I'll get another tank replaced under warranty.





Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Duck-Stew on March 29, 2009, 09:52:39 AM
My g/f (River) has an '06 620 with the plastic tank.  Bike had gone down lightly w/the previous owner on it and someone did another paint job on the stock tank.  Don't know if that will affect the warranty replacement but it shouldn't given the amount of complaints and the *same* phenominon happening with ALL of our tanks!!!

2006 620 w/9K miles
bought and ran in SoCal on 87 octane from various stations
runs with the tank pad
stock latch that does hit the ignition switch
*both* tank mounting pads to frame are splayed out (right side worse but not by too much)
ripples in the right side flat of the tank forward of the seat and behind the tank bulge.

I had an '06 S2R1K last year for a short while and it had the same....damn....issues.  [roll]

DNA has *got* to do something about this....


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: stopintime on March 29, 2009, 10:02:27 AM

.......................

DNA has *got* to do something about this....

I know Statler doesn't look like a lawyer, but he is, isn't he?
This kind of crusade, group action without being paid would be perfect for him - and for you US guys.
I can't imagine he's got better things to do - being a flounder without compensation isn't enough - let him take this load as well!

 ;D [thumbsup]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 29, 2009, 10:10:21 AM
We need two things:

1.  The exact metrics Ducati uses to determine correct tank dimensions.  There should be a good way to measure your tank and figure this out.  I >>assume<< circumference around a known point would be a good start as swelling is going to go in all directions, if the material has the same thickness all around.  It would be EXTRA good to have this done by a dealer who knows the issue and the dimensions.

2.  A registry of owners who have documented the swelling, WHETHER OR NOT they've had their tanks replaced.  If you had a tank replacement, that is proof positive they know of a problem.

is there a way to set up a registry?  you'd need to provide your contact info and probably VIN, date of purchase, etc.

This is the only way I can see getting any OUT of warranty service.  Once they see enough ppl have this problem, the next step is a lawsuit and it could probably be class certified once you have enough ppl. 

How many bikes would this affect?  All the plastic tank bikes since '05, right?  How many is that?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Duck-Stew on March 29, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
2005 is a split model year for the plastic tanks. 

Early 620's and S4R's got steel tanks & it seems that all the '05 S2R800's got plastic ones.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 29, 2009, 10:37:39 AM
We need two things:

1.  The exact metrics Ducati uses to determine correct tank dimensions.  There should be a good way to measure your tank and figure this out.  I >>assume<< circumference around a known point would be a good start as swelling is going to go in all directions, if the material has the same thickness all around.  It would be EXTRA good to have this done by a dealer who knows the issue and the dimensions.

<snip>
Has it been ascertained they are swelling?

I don't think that's the problem.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 29, 2009, 10:44:55 AM
Has it been ascertained they are swelling?

I don't think that's the problem.

people seem to think that -- especially with the fitting problems.

what do yo uthink the problem is?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 29, 2009, 10:52:06 AM
people seem to think that -- especially with the fitting problems.

what do yo uthink the problem is?
Heat distortion.

Look at it this way.

Heat causes expansion.

If you have a molded piece of plastic that is restrained, by the hinge, latch, and bumpers you heat it with an engine from the bottom It can't grow in all directions uniformly.

Something has to give.

Every plastic tank I've seen develops waviness on the right side by the vertical head first.

I also think that if it was swelling due to fuel incompatibility there would be EPA issues that DNA could never walk away from.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 29, 2009, 10:56:39 AM
Heat distortion.

Look at it this way.

Heat causes expansion.

If you have a molded piece of plastic that is restrained, by the hinge, latch, and bumpers you heat it with an engine from the bottom It can't grow in all directions uniformly.

Something has to give.

Every plastic tank I've seen develops waviness on the right side by the vertical head first.

I also think that if it was swelling due to fuel incompatibility there would be EPA issues that DNA could never walk away from.

if it is in fact heat distortion, then i would consider that a design defect. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: stopintime on March 29, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
AFAIK this problem hasn't been an issue in Europe - not much ethanol here.
If it was only heat distortion, we would have it here too.
Maybe a combination of the two?

(I might be wrong about this not being an issue here, but I never heard of it)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 29, 2009, 11:04:30 AM
if it is in fact heat distortion, then i would consider that a design defect. 
If it's swelling due to ethanol it is no less of a design defect.

It's a fuel tank. It needs to hold fuel and still fit the vehicle.



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 29, 2009, 11:05:37 AM
If it's swelling due to ethanol it is no less of a design defect.

It's a fuel tank. It needs to hold fuel and still fit the vehicle.

i meant it is likely a design defect in either case





Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 29, 2009, 11:18:08 AM
i meant it is likely a design defect in either case




you mean we agree that the plastic tanks suck?   ;D

If I had one of those I'd swap it out for a steel tank or a carbon/kevlar unit in a heartbeat....probably steel...because I'm cheap. ;)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: DucLeone on March 29, 2009, 11:24:19 AM
if it really expands,that means more fuel fit in there there of greater range [moto]
j/k


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on March 29, 2009, 12:09:55 PM
you mean we agree that the plastic tanks suck?   ;D

If I had one of those I'd swap it out for a steel tank or a carbon/kevlar unit in a heartbeat....probably steel...because I'm cheap. ;)

i think they are the right idea, but only if they don't expand or swell.  that is utter bullshit if they are.  you'd think by now we would have solid tanks.

i like the plastic because it won't dent.  i know at least half a dozen guys who would have dented tanks were it not for the plastic setup.

i don't mind steel as long as it's lined, but it seems to me they could have lined these.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on March 29, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
i think they are the right idea, but only if they don't expand or swell.  that is utter bullshit if they are.  you'd think by now we would have solid tanks.

i like the plastic because it won't dent.  i know at least half a dozen guys who would have dented tanks were it not for the plastic setup.

i don't mind steel as long as it's lined, but it seems to me they could have lined these.
I also heard...and not from an authoritative source...that the rotomolded Duc tanks were in fact 2 types of plastic. One that would accept paint on the outside and one that is fuel proof on the inside.

If that's true, it should have eliminated the possibility of swelling. I've never cut one open to find out.

IMO the only reason Ducati went with plastic tanks is that they're cheaper to produce.

The steel tanks had to be extremely labor intensive to make seeing as they're 5 pieces plus all the internal tubes and hinge plates/hinge. Labor means $$$$ in manufacturing.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: herm on March 29, 2009, 12:50:30 PM
I also heard...and not from an authoritative source...that the rotomolded Duc tanks were in fact 2 types of plastic. One that would accept paint on the outside and one that is fuel proof on the inside.

If that's true, it should have eliminated the possibility of swelling. I've never cut one open to find out.

IMO the only reason Ducati went with plastic tanks is that they're cheaper to produce.

The steel tanks had to be extremely labor intensive to make seeing as they're 5 pieces plus all the internal tubes and hinge plates/hinge. Labor means $$$$ in manufacturing.

well, then i have a deal for you.

i will trade you my plastic tank (which you can cut up, shoot at, or whatever you like) for one of the following
a) a weld/POR/paint of my spair metal tank
or.......
b) a painted CF tank

lemmy know [thumbsup]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Two dogs on March 29, 2009, 01:47:58 PM
Heres one for plastic tank  [thumbsup]
I had just cleaned my bike and was distracted by my daughter and on wheeling it into its usual spot and must of not set the stand correctly
also the front wheel was sitting on top of the chain that I use to lock it up .
The bike must of rolled forward off the chain , kick stand flicked up and over she went.
I turned around from talking to my daughter to see the bike had fallen over and was leaning on a small stone retaining wall at 45o angle missed the frame sliders  WITH THE FULL WEIGHT ON THE TANK [bang]
AARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!
The plastic tank with very little fuel in it had flexed enough on impact to leave NO damage just small graze the size of a match head.
I would guess that a metal tank would of dented.
Very lucky ,
but not looking forward to the bad stuff talked about above as here in Australia this summer
we have had many days over 104 f with my bike sitting in the sun at work.


Title: Plastic tank shoddy paint.
Post by: Craig Thomas on March 29, 2009, 02:22:23 PM
Where's the choice for:

X - Paint scratches easily.  :-\

Tank has scuffs from my pants hugging it.   [coffee]


Title: Re: Plastic tank shoddy paint.
Post by: mitt on March 31, 2009, 11:43:43 AM
Where's the choice for:

X - Paint scratches easily.  :-\

Tank has scuffs from my pants hugging it.   [coffee]

That happens on ALL monster tanks, regardless of sub material.

mitt


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: chris on March 31, 2009, 10:09:26 PM
FWIW, the OEM tanks are nylon, a form of plastic. I've been told by rotomolder industry folks that nylon absorbs gasoline and that's why they are expanding. I have no knowledge of the tank having multiple layers, however, this is something which is possible (although improbable in rotational molding). They call it double dip or double shot. Normally applies to blow molding (I believe, not 100% certain).

Legislature and plastics industry folks are working on bringing fuel vapor emissions to the lowest level possible, approaching that of metal tanks. There have been a lot of interesting discussions I have come across. There's hope on the horizon for PEX becoming nearly non-permeable. Now it's a matter for the chemists and rotomolders to figure out how to bring it to production "easily" and at reasonable cost.

Best of luck to everyone. I haven't even looked at the OEM tank on my S2R 800...

- Chris


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on April 01, 2009, 05:32:03 AM
Chris has enough experience now to be considered the resident expert on plastic tanks.  [thumbsup]

If they are nylon and nylon absorbs fuel, I wonder if that's the reason the finishes on the plastic tanks are so soft (reported by several) and there are some adhesion problems. (witnessed by me)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on April 06, 2009, 01:32:31 PM
Looks like DNA is honoring the replacement tanks under the 5 yr. emissions warrenty, according to a guy on the Sport Classics page.
Anyone have any luck with this for a Monster?
Just noticed dents behind my frame bumpers, and the clip is nearly impossible to disengage the tank now. Lower triple is banging the tank worse each ride.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Scottish on April 07, 2009, 09:35:52 AM
Looks like DNA is honoring the replacement tanks under the 5 yr. emissions warrenty, according to a guy on the Sport Classics page.
Anyone have any luck with this for a Monster?
Just noticed dents behind my frame bumpers, and the clip is nearly impossible to disengage the tank now. Lower triple is banging the tank worse each ride.

Use the adjustment screws to keep the triples off the tank. They are on the bottom of the steering neck, you need and allen wrench and a 13mm wrench.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: arai_speed on April 07, 2009, 09:52:20 AM
I called up my local dealership and they said DNA denied my claim to have the tank replaced under the 5 year EPA warranty as my issues are only cosmetic.

The service rep is a really nice guy and he is going to try submitting it again to see what happens.

We'll see.  [coffee]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: pennyrobber on April 07, 2009, 11:39:09 AM
My tank was replaced today under a goodwill warrantee. Big thanks to Ducati Superstore here in Phoenix, awesome shop!
It seems in talking about the problem with the tachs and others, many people are trying to get replacements with tanks that have minor cosmetic defects like small bumps or mild waviness. DNA has been quick to replace sport classic tanks because the deformation of the tanks is causing the the mounting system to no longer work properly. This is an issue they obviously have to address. In my case the tank was at the point to which the latch was no longer operable and the rubber tanks pads were barely on the frame. It was no longer a cosmetic issue and thus the tank was replaced. It sucks that it has to get to that point before you have a realistic shot at a replacement but thats life. I waited so long because I figured as long as it holds gas, ride it.  [moto]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on April 07, 2009, 11:53:39 AM
My tank was replaced today under a goodwill warrantee. Big thanks to Ducati Superstore here in Phoenix, awesome shop!
It seems in talking about the problem with the tachs and others, many people are trying to get replacements with tanks that have minor cosmetic defects like small bumps or mild waviness. DNA has been quick to replace sport classic tanks because the deformation of the tanks is causing the the mounting system to no longer work properly. This is an issue they obviously have to address. In my case the tank was at the point to which the latch was no longer operable and the rubber tanks pads were barely on the frame. It was no longer a cosmetic issue and thus the tank was replaced. It sucks that it has to get to that point before you have a realistic shot at a replacement but thats life. I waited so long because I figured as long as it holds gas, ride it.  [moto]

how bad was it?  do you have pics?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: pennyrobber on April 07, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
how bad was it?  do you have pics?

I didn't take any pictures of the latch or tank pads but I can tell you that the latch was smashed against the ignition so bad that the tank could not be without the effort of two people and some serious force and putting back down actually required unbolting of parts. The tank pads were spread far enough that I could stick my finger in the grove where the frame should actually be. The tech at the shop actually told me it was the worst one he had seen. The seat was also becoming increasingly difficult to put on as the tank was pushing back against it.

This is the only picture I have that really shows the deformation. Note the knee cutout on the S2R in the middle.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n85/dietrichpfeifer/WarpedTanks.jpg)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on April 07, 2009, 08:49:18 PM
I didn't take any pictures of the latch or tank pads but I can tell you that the latch was smashed against the ignition so bad that the tank could not be without the effort of two people and some serious force and putting back down actually required unbolting of parts.

the latch on mine is pressed against the ignition pretty hard right now.  i can squeeze it in still but it's friggin tight.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: corey on April 08, 2009, 06:55:35 AM
^^ at least you don't have to worry about it being loose?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Paegelow on April 08, 2009, 11:27:35 AM
Wow I just found this thread...  My tank is doing the same thing.  The pads are barely touching the frame and i can barely operate the latch.  I'll have to talk to the dealer and see if they know anything.

For the record:
2007 M695
6600 miles
tank pad still installed
Located in Wisconsin (10% ethanol)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Gus Duc on April 08, 2009, 03:27:58 PM
My tank was replaced today under a goodwill warrantee. Big thanks to Ducati Superstore here in Phoenix, awesome shop!
It seems in talking about the problem with the tachs and others, many people are trying to get replacements with tanks that have minor cosmetic defects like small bumps or mild waviness. DNA has been quick to replace sport classic tanks because the deformation of the tanks is causing the the mounting system to no longer work properly. This is an issue they obviously have to address. In my case the tank was at the point to which the latch was no longer operable and the rubber tanks pads were barely on the frame. It was no longer a cosmetic issue and thus the tank was replaced. It sucks that it has to get to that point before you have a realistic shot at a replacement but thats life. I waited so long because I figured as long as it holds gas, ride it.  [moto]

Same here....... new tank on the way [thumbsup]

I have the same problems as mentioned above & my bike was delivered with the tank all the way back on the hindge so it becomes a safety/maintence issue as by next month I don't think my original tank will close without hitting the ignition thus making the latch useless.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Paegelow on April 08, 2009, 03:31:13 PM
For those of you getting new tanks, have they fixed the problem?  or will your new tank just deform like your original?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2009, 03:34:02 PM
For those of you getting new tanks, have they fixed the problem?  or will your new tank just deform like your original?
;D


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Paegelow on April 08, 2009, 05:40:28 PM
 [roll]  haha, I'm serious!  I don't want to go nag my dealer into hooking me up with a new tank, just to have it be trashed in another 2 years.  I'd rather wait for them to fix the problem first!

Kind of like how my cylinder heads turned brown, I got brand new ones on warranty, and they turned brown again in 2 months.  [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on April 08, 2009, 05:45:20 PM
i wonder if there is any value to adding a coating to the inside, i.e. Bill Hirsch or POR


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2009, 05:52:03 PM
i wonder if there is any value to adding a coating to the inside, i.e. Bill Hirsch or POR
I don't think they'd stick to the plastic.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on April 08, 2009, 05:53:40 PM
I don't think they'd stick to the plastic.

really?  I'd think that bill hirsch stuff would stick to anything, even a turd.  It is pretty tacky.  MEK thinned. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2009, 06:10:05 PM
really?  I'd think that bill hirsch stuff would stick to anything, even a turd.  It is pretty tacky.  MEK thinned. 
Adhesion to plastic is tough.

Add the fact that it's possible these tanks have already absorbed fuel it's like trying to get something to stick to oil.

Ask Hirsch what he thinks.

I haven't asked POR, but I have suspicions as to what they'd say.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on April 08, 2009, 06:15:39 PM
Adhesion to plastic is tough.

Add the fact that it's possible these tanks have already absorbed fuel it's like trying to get something to stick to oil.

Ask Hirsch what he thinks.

I haven't asked POR, but I have suspicions as to what they'd say.

i meant with a new tank


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on April 08, 2009, 06:54:15 PM
i meant with a new tank
If it stuck...

and the issue is fuel absorption.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: arai_speed on April 08, 2009, 08:11:44 PM
I called up my local dealership and they said DNA denied my claim to have the tank replaced under the 5 year EPA warranty as my issues are only cosmetic.

The service rep is a really nice guy and he is going to try submitting it again to see what happens.

We'll see.  [coffee]

I just got an email from the dealership, they approved my request and a new tank is on the way!!!   ;D ;D [beer] [beer]

I can live with that for now.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Paegelow on April 09, 2009, 05:00:44 PM
Man, I just took a closer look at my tank, and it's all wavy on the sides where my knees go.  What the hell!!!  We need to get this figured out!  [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on April 16, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
Dropping my s2r off at dealers tomorrow, need a long overdue belt job.
Will inform as to what they say re: spreading, bars hitting tank, and other cosmetic distortion.
Would have removed the belt covers, but I want the tech to experience what a pregnant dog it is to operate the tank latch.
Hmm- rear brake fails every couple months, ecu/O2 sensor setup sucks, rt. case paint is bubbling, tank is a pos, gauges leak moisture, valve stems... Why do I love this thing so much!


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: River on April 16, 2009, 02:15:24 PM

Hmm- rear brake fails every couple months, ecu/O2 sensor setup sucks, rt. case paint is bubbling, tank is a pos, gauges leak moisture, valve stems... Why do I love this thing so much!

Because it's freakin' sexy, that's why!   ;D

I know man, my bike has issues too, but she's the most awesome bit of mechanical wonder I've ever experienced.

All good things come with a price.   ;)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Gus Duc on April 18, 2009, 02:15:35 PM
New tank went on today [thumbsup]  Had em' change the fuel filter as well....... Retail on the tank is $1800 or so plus a $19 gasket & labor.  Thank You Ducati [thumbsup]

It's funny how small it looks & how much better my seat lines up...... my OEM one was really distorted.  Even the tank pads look smaller.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: He Man on April 18, 2009, 02:57:16 PM
whoa! nice! where did you go? I hope its not...that shop i went to bcause they did not fix my bike at all.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ute on April 18, 2009, 04:10:48 PM
so 104 replys

1800 views


and only 1 picture............................lets see more pics of these bad tanks


i have an 06 and use ethanol 10% since new .....no problems ...but would like pics  for reference

thanks


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: He Man on April 18, 2009, 04:36:04 PM
its reallly hard to get the pics of the bumps, is there anyway i can post up the sensation of running your fingers across the tank and feeling bumps and ridges?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: damianS4RS on April 18, 2009, 05:47:55 PM
First I noticed my bars were hitting, now the left side tank pad is barely on the frame. Any chance they'll send me a carbon tank?  :P

For those who've had it replaced, is it quicker to call the Duc rep first or take it to the dealer first?

UPDATE: After closer inspection, right side of tank is wavy and latch is touching key surround.

07 S4RS
4500 mi


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Gus Duc on April 18, 2009, 05:55:37 PM
so 104 replys

1800 views


and only 1 picture............................lets see more pics of these bad tanks


i have an 06 and use ethanol 10% since new .....no problems ...but would like pics  for reference

thanks

Sorry my tank is at the dealer now ;)

In my case, the triple hit the left side of the tank at full lock, I could barely open the latch, & the tank pads on both sides were barely touching the frame.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ute on April 19, 2009, 04:39:06 PM
First I noticed my bars were hitting, now the left side tank pad is barely on the frame. Any chance they'll send me a carbon tank?  :P

For those who've had it replaced, is it quicker to call the Duc rep first or take it to the dealer first?


ok so lets see a pic


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: mitt on April 19, 2009, 06:03:38 PM
One of the other Monster owners in my town has an early s2r800 and I looked close at it last weekend - no blemishes or expanded problems I could see.

mitt


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: jdubbs32584 on April 20, 2009, 04:52:03 AM
My 07 S2R 800 seems to have slight warping. The right side of the tank by the latch is closer to the key guard than the left. Also, when I ride, the tank seems uneven at the knee guards, like its angled to the left or something. I'll see if I can get pics when I get back home.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: DLSGAP on April 20, 2009, 05:18:30 AM
not sure about on the Duc... but I've experienced issues with an Aprilia RSV losing some of its shape.. so much to the point that the fuel pump assembly wouldn't seal on the bottom of the tank and fuel went EVERYWHERE


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on May 02, 2009, 07:37:24 AM
Took it in, for belts, check tank.
It's official-according to my dealer- Ducati isn't gonna do anything about it. Just gave it back as is.
But- according to the S. Classic guys(ducati.ms)- DNA knows about the problem and is trying to get another US only spec. tank into production- around late 2009?. The ones that were recently replaced are deforming as well.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 02, 2009, 03:52:05 PM
Took it in, for belts, check tank.
It's official-according to my dealer- Ducati isn't gonna do anything about it. Just gave it back as is.
But- according to the S. Classic guys(ducati.ms)- DNA knows about the problem and is trying to get another US only spec. tank into production- around late 2009?. The ones that were recently replaced are deforming as well.

wait.. you mean they are developing a replacement tank for these bikes or are designing a new tank for future bikes?

at least half a dozen folks have had their monster tanks replaced here.

what year is your bike?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Loyalizer on May 02, 2009, 06:02:27 PM
hey!  my magnetic tank bag won't stay on either!  Why isn't that on the poll

Try Syrup, or Honey...


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: DoubleEagle on May 02, 2009, 11:37:09 PM
how much sunlight does the inside of your gas tank get??
  I know this may sound stupid but since when can the Sun shine inside a gas tank that is closed up 99.99999999999% of the time ???    Dolph    :D


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: DoubleEagle on May 03, 2009, 12:22:38 AM
MY #2 S4Rs that I just sold had tank problems.

It was a '07 , never ran on Ethanol because it was never ridden , ( 7 ) miles when sold. It did however still have a full tank of gas.

The Tank latch would not once it was unlatched re latch without putting a finger underneath the bar and manipulating it under the lip so that it could be then latched down.

I remember when I attached the leads for the Battery Tender , I unbolted the Ignition Cover so I could get to it easily . Then figured out I could just use a finger to manipulate it to latch.

Frame Bumpers were in place.

South Central, Ohio                         Dolph



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on May 03, 2009, 04:15:50 AM
wait.. you mean they are developing a replacement tank for these bikes or are designing a new tank for future bikes?

at least half a dozen folks have had their monster tanks replaced here.

what year is your bike?
'06 year. DNA told poster that they are working on a fix. Due out somtime in '09.
Just noticed another dimple on top the wasn't there 2 weeks ago when I took it to the dealer- weird.
Hopefully the monster community will bring this problem to DNA's attention.
This poll only shows %50 with problems, but a new one should be broken down by tank age- mine seemed fine for 2.5 years.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Greg on May 03, 2009, 04:46:14 AM
I originally answered YES to tank spreading problems, as a while back I noticed that one of the frame mounts was half way off. Then the other day when I was getting gas,  I noticed when I popped the gas tank that it was pressured up really bad, after that I happened to check the frame mount again and it was back to normal. So maybe the tanks are prone to spreading due to internal pressure and then after a while the deformation becomes permanent. Anyway, I have been checking my tank for pressure build up on each ride now.



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: DucLeone on May 03, 2009, 07:33:39 AM
let my ask this...
could it be due the charcoal canister?
i mean the went hose is directed into it right,when my tank got deformed it had the canister installed.
i got the tank replaced and the canister is gone.haven't had a problem yet.
maybe the canister prohibit it to went and the pressure is the cause for deformation


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Statler on May 03, 2009, 07:47:25 AM
let my ask this...
could it be due the charcoal canister?
i mean the went hose is directed into it right,when my tank got deformed it had the canister installed.
i got the tank replaced and the canister is gone.haven't had a problem yet.
maybe the canister prohibit it to went and the pressure is the cause for deformation

nope.   lots of bikes with the canister gone before ever running.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 03, 2009, 10:34:02 AM
  I know this may sound stupid but since when can the Sun shine inside a gas tank that is closed up 99.99999999999% of the time ???    Dolph    :D

you need to read the whole thread. you missed quite a bit.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 03, 2009, 10:39:36 AM
let my ask this...
could it be due the charcoal canister?
i mean the went hose is directed into it right,when my tank got deformed it had the canister installed.
i got the tank replaced and the canister is gone.haven't had a problem yet.
maybe the canister prohibit it to went and the pressure is the cause for deformation

that's a good question, and a good way to test it would be to find non-USA bikes using the same crappy fuel.

i removed my canister setup less than a month after getting the bike.  maybe 2 weeks and i put probably 500-600 miles on the bike in that time.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: DucLeone on May 03, 2009, 01:15:00 PM
that's a good question, and a good way to test it would be to find non-USA bikes using the same crappy fuel.

i removed my canister setup less than a month after getting the bike.  maybe 2 weeks and i put probably 500-600 miles on the bike in that time.
see when i got my bike it had 1000mi on the clock and a canister installed and the tank was spread out at the bottom, the revoval on the canister i did shortly before i got the new tank,and havn't had a problem


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on May 03, 2009, 03:45:38 PM
see when i got my bike it had 1000mi on the clock and a canister installed and the tank was spread out at the bottom, the revoval on the canister i did shortly before i got the new tank,and havn't had a problem
Seems to be related to age of tank- please keep us informed on the new one.
Interresting to note from the other board- US spec. tanks are different than the rest of the world- due to emission standards.
And my charcoal canister was the first thing I pulled w/in a week of ownership.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 03, 2009, 04:16:27 PM
Seems to be related to age of tank- please keep us informed on the new one.
Interresting to note from the other board- US spec. tanks are different than the rest of the world- due to emission standards.
And my charcoal canister was the first thing I pulled w/in a week of ownership.

i am not aware that this is true.  the parts catalogue for the '05 monster (s2r) lists the same number for the tank, but denotes US-spec parts (like charcoal canister and side reflectors)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Alexandre on May 06, 2009, 07:28:58 PM
let my ask this...
could it be due the charcoal canister?
i mean the went hose is directed into it right,when my tank got deformed it had the canister installed.
i got the tank replaced and the canister is gone.haven't had a problem yet.
maybe the canister prohibit it to went and the pressure is the cause for deformation

this sound like a possible explanation
quick, everybody remove your charcoal canisters


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: NorDog on May 07, 2009, 08:28:04 AM
I  haven't noticed any problems with my tank yet, but then I've got a full tail chop.  Maybe the tank is jealous and wants to be as ugly as the stock rear fender/tail thingie.   [cheeky]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: herm on May 07, 2009, 11:47:15 AM
can i change my vote? i am starting to see some changes in my tank.
-getting closer to the ignition
-the frame pad on one side might have moved a bit

06 s2r1000
always 87 octane
10% or so ethenol
0 miles with the emissions can in place


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: pennyrobber on May 07, 2009, 12:48:45 PM
I have noticed the warpage on others bikes now that maybe haven't noticed yet. The dark bikes really show the warps well. Check out the knee cutout on the bike in the photo (not my picture, found it on bikes of DML). For some reason though, it seems that the right knee cutouts warp before the left knee cutouts.


(http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr353/acemoneyhands/100_0874.jpg)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ute on May 07, 2009, 04:30:21 PM
wow .....that's crazy

i would be pissed if that was mine


are all your tanks like that ?


so definitive no recall  ?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 07, 2009, 05:52:10 PM
I have noticed the warpage on others bikes now that maybe haven't noticed yet. The dark bikes really show the warps well. Check out the knee cutout on the bike in the photo (not my picture, found it on bikes of DML). For some reason though, it seems that the right knee cutouts warp before the left knee cutouts.

other than the front touchign the keyswitch, mine looks like that now... argh!   [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: woppini on May 07, 2009, 08:34:53 PM
Ducati will warranty the tank under its emission control. Which i believe is 12,000 miles or 5 years. But it all lies within your dealer to see if they really care. My dealer is over an hour away, and my new tank is on its way to be installed (my bike is out of the standard warranty). Will it warp again? dunno, probably. But hey, a new tank is still a new tank.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 08, 2009, 04:13:44 AM
will anyone who gets a new tank coat the inside before putting in gas?

is there any reason to think that would not help or otherwise be a problem?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on May 08, 2009, 04:32:22 AM
will anyone who gets a new tank coat the inside before putting in gas?

is there any reason to think that would not help or otherwise be a problem?
I don't think coatings will stick.

They'll come loose in one big sheet IMO.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 08, 2009, 05:06:05 AM
I don't think coatings will stick.

They'll come loose in one big sheet IMO.

and that would suck

dammit  [bang]

i just hope ducati isn't replacing them wit hthe same damn tanks.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: herm on May 08, 2009, 05:17:31 AM
Ducati will warranty the tank under its emission control. Which i believe is 12,000 miles or 5 years. But it all lies within your dealer to see if they really care. My dealer is over an hour away, and my new tank is on its way to be installed (my bike is out of the standard warranty). Will it warp again? dunno, probably. But hey, a new tank is still a new tank.

do you (or anyone else who has had success getting the tank replaced) have any documentation which might assist the rest of us in getting this resolved? something official from DNA would be awsome [thumbsup]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on May 08, 2009, 08:03:10 AM
Diddo- like I said- my dealer supposedly contact them and documented on my service sheet that there is nothing they will do.
The service rep did however say that the DNA rep seldom answers his e-mails from him. Prob been busy replacing all the Sport Classics! I read DNA said they are getting re-designed tanks sometime in '09, haven't heard of this for monsters. Anyone?
Maybe putting it off till the 5yr emissions warrenty to expire.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 08, 2009, 08:12:38 AM
seems to me putting together a formal contact list of people with tank problems is in order.

DNA getting a letter from an attorney with the list of several hundred owners might change their tune.



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: woppini on May 08, 2009, 10:35:57 AM
do you (or anyone else who has had success getting the tank replaced) have any documentation which might assist the rest of us in getting this resolved? something official from DNA would be awsome [thumbsup]
I will check on that when I pick up my bike.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: woppini on May 09, 2009, 08:37:30 AM
update 5-9-09
Havent got the bike back yet, but the tank should be here by the end of the week. From what I understand, if your going to inquire about a new tank, mention the fitment issue. Seems Duc wont warranty on the exterior problems alone if the bike is out of warranty. FIND a dealer that will take care of you, even if its a couple hour drive. They will take pics, and submit it. Make sure they concentrate on pics that show the pinching against the key lock, and the rubber pucks that dont rest where they should. Will the new tank solve the issue? Probably not. The reasons are still on the fence whether its a flaw in materials, the ethanol in CA fuels, etc. What I do know is that my plastic tank on my chain saw and weed eater are as good as new, and Ive had those for 10 years. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 09, 2009, 09:50:03 AM
. What I do know is that my plastic tank on my chain saw and weed eater are as good as new, and Ive had those for 10 years. 

interesting point (i also have plastic tanks on my mower and weedeater) but i've not tried to measure them and they don't get R&R'ed very much (not at all really)..  i took the gas tank off my mower to put a new pull cord on it, but the tank slides in and out of a loose metal track.   it might have expanded and i'd never know.

different from a motorcycle gas tank that gets opened semi-frequently and must be opened regularly for maintenance.... 



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: herm on May 09, 2009, 12:50:24 PM
heat+plastic+lubricant(gas)+vibration..........


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: woppini on May 09, 2009, 01:11:04 PM
heat+plastic+lubricant(gas)+vibration..........
perfect chain saw fuel tank environment  ;)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: SikDuc on May 09, 2009, 02:18:46 PM
Well, I also just went to my local Ducati dealer here in Vegas and they wrote up an RO and took a bunch of pics of my tank.  I'll keep you guys updated as well.  Crossin my fingers.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: herm on May 09, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
perfect chain saw fuel tank environment  ;)

good point. i have been working with saws professionally for about 15 years, and i did think of that. but i doubt that the fuel tanks on stihl or husky are made from the same stuff as the ducati tanks.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: OverCaffeinated on May 14, 2009, 09:22:06 AM
I've got an 06 S2R 800, 5k miles.

Tank has:
Waves on right side.
Hits left bar.
Latch is almost impossible to get on and off.
Don't know about frame mounts, but I'll check.
SoCal Gas?

Just got off the phone with a dealer in SoCal. Service guy says the only thing they can do is try a "Goodwill" warranty claim. They would take some pics and send them to their DNA rep, then wait for decision. My guess is your tank has to be pretty bad.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on May 22, 2009, 09:52:47 AM
In the past week, now the triple hits on the right side of the tank as well. The tank clasp is now pushing on the ign switch housing. Another pimple appeared on the rt. top of the tank.

The dealer said they moved the tank back on the mounts(left bar still hit) when it was in a few weeks ago, but DNA wasn't much help otherwise. Is it worth contacting DNA directly/sending pics? Going the dealer route didn't seem to help.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: SikDuc on May 29, 2009, 02:57:17 PM
Well..... My dealer basically said since my bike is out of the standard warranty, my tank is not covered  [roll]  There are obviously issues with a lot of tanks.  I was hoping for a "goodwill" warranty claim but it didn't happen.  What to do............. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on May 29, 2009, 07:34:21 PM
why are some tanks being replaced but not others?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: howie on May 30, 2009, 04:49:13 AM
Obviously all I can do is make some guesses ans assumptions.  I assume Ducati is doing this on a case by case basis depending on how bad the tank is and if the distortion could be a safety hazard.  I also assume at this point Ducati has no solution to this problem and does not want to replace serviceable tanks with new tanks that may develop the same problem. Since the link to you and Ducati is the dealer, I also assume whether you get the new tank is somewhat dependent on how well the dealer presents your case and how good their relationship is with DNA.  So much for guesses, these are all assumtions [cheeky]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: woppini on May 30, 2009, 11:26:57 AM
Picked up the bike 2 weeks ago, with a new tank. The best part too is, any new scratches will be from me, lol. To all those that are struggling to get yours done, DO IT. This falls under the emission control warranty. Look in the owners manual, but i think its 5 years or 18,000 miles. The reason that dealers will give you the run around is they dont want to take a chance replacing the tank and getting denied the claim through DNA since its out of the standard warranty. Like i mentioned earlier, find a problem with the tank besides the aesthetics (dimples, warping). If its pinching against the ignition switch, it can rub through the tank, maybe cause a leak. Will this happen? dunno, Will the tank mounting shift and rub in other areas? dunno either. but you must make it known to them its a safety related issue because its holding fuel, not seated right, and is rubbing.. Tell them to fix it. Show them the owners manual where it states the warranty. Have them (the dealer) prove to you that the fuel tank is NOT an emission related part. You have something in writing FROM Ducati in that manual that says it is- specifically  page 81, and 82 for the S2R800. Its SOME of the dealers that are giving you the bend over treatment, not DNA


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: SikDuc on May 31, 2009, 07:18:29 PM
I still have hope.  My dealer's parts manager was at the WSBK races this weekend and was able to talk to a Ducati rep. there about my particular tank issues and he told me that he thinks he was a able to convince them to replace my tank. I'll know by June 10th he said.  We shall see :-\  I will push this as much as possible.  Whether Ducati has a fix or not the tanks should be replaced. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: MAXdB on June 03, 2009, 04:47:17 PM
Just called a couple duc dealerships in my area to get a feel for how they will handle the tank problem and the service manager for one (very big dealer here) tells me straight off the bat that he has never seen a tank expand, never replaced a tank for that reason and furthermore that "it is probably because of the something you've done like wheelies and such". I feel that particular dealership may be a waste of time.. pity that's the place I bought my bike. I did have another dealership say they are willing to take a look at it but this definitely seems like it will not be easy. I'll keep you posted..


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on June 03, 2009, 05:18:08 PM
Just called a couple duc dealerships in my area to get a feel for how they will handle the tank problem and the service manager for one (very big dealer here) tells me straight off the bat that he has never seen a tank expand, never replaced a tank for that reason and furthermore that "it is probably because of the something you've done like wheelies and such". I feel that particular dealership may be a waste of time.. pity that's the place I bought my bike. I did have another dealership say they are willing to take a look at it but this definitely seems like it will not be easy. I'll keep you posted..

what the make the beast with two backs would wheelies have to do with a tank expanding?

i wonder how many other bikes have plastic tanks before 2005/06?  Any?  How many could this guy have seen?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Grampa on June 03, 2009, 05:20:13 PM
not seeing things is easy when your eyes are closed


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on June 03, 2009, 05:27:38 PM
not seeing things is easy when your eyes are closed

or your air is cut off because your sphincter is around your neck


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: SikDuc on June 03, 2009, 05:46:19 PM
I just got a phone call from my Ducati dealership in Vegas from a mechanic and he told me Ducati approved my new tank under the emissions warranty.  It is being ordered now and just waiting now for whenever it ships ;D  What a great phone call!  I'll update when it comes in and installed.  It really helps to have a good relationship with your dealer and then have them not be intimidated to push the issue forward.  BUT..... Until I have the new tank on my bike my fingers will still be crossed.  I hope other dealerships will play along as well by knowing these faulty manufactured tanks are actually being replaced under the emissions warranty.     


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: nikkimonster on June 04, 2009, 06:23:05 AM
4400 miles and counting...no problems so far.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on June 04, 2009, 06:24:44 AM
4400 miles and counting...no problems so far.

open the latch and close the tank.. check clearance on the rubber stops.  i thought mine was fine and then i actually looked and the stops are about half inch forward of their original location on the frame.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: arai_speed on June 04, 2009, 10:00:18 AM
I got a new tank from my dealer under the 5 year emissions warranty.  First I spoke to the service rep at my local dealer, service rep said they would try the "good will" route but that it was not a guarantee.  2 or 3 weeks passed and no word from my dealer so I called up DNA my self to inquire about the issue (fit/distortion, etc):

DNA Phone: 408-253-0499 (Hours: 8 to 5 PT)

Rep at DNA said that I needed to contact my dealer and ask them to submit a claim.  I gave her the name of the dealership I had spoken with and she knew of them, said they were good at following up and that I should call them back, etc.

I then called my dealer and asked about the status of my tank under the "good will" replacement, service rep said claim had been denied.   I then informed them that I had spoken to DNA and that DNA said to call them as they were good at following up, etc.  Service guy took down my info (again) and said he would resubmit the claim.

One day later I got a call from my local dealership saying my tank replacement was approved and that they would call me when it was in. 

I got the new tank installed last week.  From beginning to end the whole process took about 2 1/2 months.

For those of you that are having problems getting a replacement, I would suggest you pick up the phone and dial the # I provided.  Then when they suggest you talk to your local dealership ask them which one they recommend for your area.  If they say, "any approved Duc dealership" tell them about the experiences you've had and start name dropping.

Good luck!  [beer]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: SikDuc on June 04, 2009, 12:49:43 PM
+1  Keep on top of it.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: woppini on June 04, 2009, 05:51:45 PM
Good job guys! squeaky wheel gets the lube!... er, uhm... yeah thats it!


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on June 05, 2009, 03:04:40 PM
I've just read about Sport Classic guys on their 3rd tank. Atleast they're all getting re-designed tanks- someday. Haven't heard much about the monsters.
This sucks. Wish I never started the thread.
I'm gonna file a complaint w/ the Gubment.
That's right: I'm writing a Letter!


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: angler on June 09, 2009, 10:18:47 AM
Crap. I need a replacement worse than I thought.  The tank keeps expanding.  I now can't get the steering lock to work and the tank is now rubbing on the key area.  It has already rubbed through the paint and will make a hole eventually......


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on June 09, 2009, 11:28:37 AM
I am going to set up a list of folks who are having problems, if there are enough people, we can contact ducati directly as a group... or something else.



http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25074.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25074.0)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: MAXdB on June 09, 2009, 11:55:17 AM
I am going to set up a list of folks who are having problems, if there are enough people, we can contact ducati directly as a group... or something else.



That would be great... cut out the middle man.. go directly to the source.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Tekneek on June 10, 2009, 12:26:14 PM
 I definitely have to make some calls. Not only is my tank expanding but I'm leaking small amounts of fuel continuously from the overflow line. I'm positive that plastic tube that runs from the cap area to the nipple at the bottom right has a small crack/pinhole in it.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on June 10, 2009, 12:38:41 PM
I definitely have to make some calls. Not only is my tank expanding but I'm leaking small amounts of fuel continuously from the overflow line. I'm positive that plastic tube that runs from the cap area to the nipple at the bottom right has a small crack/pinhole in it.

check the sticky on this section for a signup list


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: SikDuc on June 12, 2009, 04:31:52 PM
My new tank is in ;D  Just gotta make an appt. and get it down there.  I have a feeling that more guys will be getting new tanks.  Let's hope so!   


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: MAXdB on June 12, 2009, 04:35:47 PM
I just got back from my local dealership and they took a couple pics and said they should have an answer in about three weeks.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on June 12, 2009, 04:36:33 PM
I just got back from my local dealership and they took a couple pics and said they should have an answer in about three weeks.

regardless, get on the list.. see the sticky at the top of the section


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on June 13, 2009, 02:43:17 PM
regardless, get on the list.. see the sticky at the top of the section

Absolutely- some of the Sport Classic owners have the same problem with their Third tank.

ps- 3 weeks? Why not make it an even month. [laugh] Took them only 2 weeks to deny my claim, and I can't even open my tank anymore.

once again- Thanks Ducatizzzz!


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: SikDuc on June 17, 2009, 05:37:44 PM
Going in Saturday morning for the new tank.  I will try and get more info. for you guys on what Ducati is doing about it. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: SikDuc on June 20, 2009, 04:28:11 PM
The new tank is on and looks good [thumbsup]  Looks just like the original as far as workmanship.  I really don't think they have made them different even with all these problems.  We'll see how long this one lasts without deforming. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: exertus on June 28, 2009, 03:08:55 AM
Took the bike to the dealer and they took pictures.  Front latch is tight between tank and ignition switch.  Side mounts between tank and frame are way off.  Rippling at knees.  And the fork/triple hit the tank now at full turn.  (don't think I should adjust the steering stops just to avoid an expanding tank.) 

Bought this 07 S2R in 12/06 and have 18,000 miles.  I ride yearly.  Even in the winter I ride at least twice a month just to keep the gas fresh. 

Wish me luck. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on June 29, 2009, 01:40:37 PM
Cool- still, don't forget to sign up. If the new tank lasts 2 years like most, and you got the bike in 06, you'll be out of the 5yr. emissions warrenty = S.O.L.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: NorDog on June 29, 2009, 02:07:34 PM
As of yesterday my tank looked fine.  It's an 07 S4RS bought new in November of 07 and, I'm ashamed to admit, only has about 3700 miles on the clock.

Now, the matte red Jet-Hot header coating is flaking off up near the exhaust ports.  That stinks, but the tank seems fine.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: DirtDiva on July 14, 2009, 07:48:27 AM
06 s2r 1k
15500 miles

i thought it was just me, but when i lock the bars the plastic hits the tank, and or when i turn right the bars hit the tank,

we've adjusted the steering stops a few times, up in the mountains and now it needs to be adjusted again.
At least i know our adjustments didn't just "back out"



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: mitt on July 14, 2009, 11:35:01 AM
After owning an outboard boat with a typical read plastic 5 gallon tank, it is AMAZING how much expansion and contraction occur depending on how much gas is in it, how hot it is, etc.  It even seems that just sitting causes a different vacuum than bouncing down the road.

The tank lid has a little vent on it, you are supposed to open when in use, and when you open it, the tank expands about 1" on top, and there is a long hiss from air getting pulled in.

I can see why, especially if there is a venting problem, a plastic tank could deform enough to take a set.

mitt


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on July 15, 2009, 10:41:27 AM
06 s2r 1k
15500 miles

i thought it was just me, but when i lock the bars the plastic hits the tank, and or when i turn right the bars hit the tank,

we've adjusted the steering stops a few times, up in the mountains and now it needs to be adjusted again.
At least i know our adjustments didn't just "back out"



Yea- my steering locks can't even work anymore.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: superjohn on July 20, 2009, 01:45:15 PM
I think I need to change my vote. It looks like my tank is crowding the ignition somewhat more than it used to. I've been paying too much attention to the other toys  :'(


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on July 20, 2009, 05:12:55 PM
same thing happened to me, i answered the poll and then a few days later opened my tank up to do some work and tried to close it -- zing!


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on July 21, 2009, 10:27:07 AM
Well- seems I'm the only one who has filed an official complaint. Not looking like anything is gonna happen anytime soon.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: arai_speed on July 21, 2009, 10:43:39 AM
Well- seems I'm the only one who has filed an official complaint. Not looking like anything is gonna happen anytime soon.

Not true!  I also filed a complaint.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: m1moto on July 21, 2009, 11:31:42 AM
I popped in at my local dealer on Friday to see if they can help me out. The service writer knew exactly what I was talking about and said they have already filed a claim for another Monster. He said it will take a few weeks to get the parts in stock and replace my tank.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Statler on July 21, 2009, 03:56:25 PM
claim just approved through dealer for mine.   About a three week turnaround for answer from DNA.



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: extra330 on July 21, 2009, 04:57:28 PM
Yep, my replacement tank was authorized by DNA last week. [thumbsup] , Let's hope this one holds up. [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on July 21, 2009, 05:47:19 PM
You guys should still file a NHTSA report.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on July 22, 2009, 02:37:59 AM
You guys should still file a NHTSA report.

I filed one because the Fed emissions warrenty is up in 2 years, may tanke that long to get this problem fixed. I don't need a tank that'll fail in another 2.5 yr. like the current one. Then you get no help from the US authorities.
And we know how Duc has dealt w/ the O2 sensor issue & foggy gauge/electronic pod.

On that note, I must say: good day sir.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: extra330 on July 22, 2009, 05:11:15 AM
As soon as the replacement tank is installed and I have the paper work in my hands I will file with the NHTSA.

You guys should still file a NHTSA report.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: wantingaduc on July 22, 2009, 07:08:45 AM
Ok here’s my fuel tank story.

I have a 2006 620 dark and I noticed last year that it was growing a “tumor” on the right side knee indent. I also had to adjust the steering stops once or twice during the season but never put the 2 together. It didn’t think it was so bad and put it up for the winter.

This spring I looked at the tank and it had gotten a lot worse. Then looking more closely I saw that it had expanded quite a bit on the right side, so much so that the bumper is almost off the frame rail at this time. I also saw some cracking up near the latch and the fuel cap is no longer fitting correctly.

I wrote an e mail and took some photos of all the problems and sent it all to my local dealer. He called me and said he was sending all my information to the area Ducati service rep for review. In the interim I had the occasion to ride the bike up to the dealership and let him look at the bike in person. He suggested that I also contact Ducati North America with my information and complaint.

They responded that I should take the bike to my local area dealership to have it checked out. I informed them that I had done this first but wanted to make sure the complaint was on file at Ducati in addition to my contact with the dealership.

A few days later I received a call from the service manager at the dealership telling me that the tank would be covered under the emissions warranty and that he would be ordering me a new tank and would call me to come for installation once it arrived. 

I think there are a few important things to keep in mind if you’re dealing with this problem yourself.

First, document the problem with photos from the beginning and as the problem progresses. Also make notes as to what happened to the tank and when. Keep a strong file of the problem and it’s progression in case you need to present it to someone in the future. 
Second, contact your local dealership and try to work with them. Be polite and patient, they are your conduit to Ducati NA. Ducati will not do anything directly with you so your relationship with the dealership is critical.
Third, contact Ducati yourself and let them know you’ve been in contact with a specific dealership. Let them know who you spoke to there and what the result of the conversation was.
Forth, print out a copy of this post from the forum and give it to the service manager at your dealership in case he should say he “knows nothing about this type of problem.”
 
If you should encounter a dealership where they won’t be willing to help you, let Ducati know that, and let them know you are aware that this is not an issue isolated to your bike. But don’t be a dick about it… It seems like for the time being the bikes that are being covered are all going under the emissions warranty and that means there has to be a defect in the tank that can cause a mechanical problem, not just cosmetic defects. Don’t make up stuff that’s wrong, it will have to be verified by a dealership and if you do you will destroy any chance you have of having it covered in the future. Be honest, patient and co-operative and I would be willing to bet that you’ll get it taken care of too.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: extra330 on July 26, 2009, 03:01:33 PM
Today while filling up the tank I noticed what looks like tiny air bubbles on the bottom of the tank between the (I guess) the liner and the "meat" of the tank.  I know they've been there for a long time but for whatever reason I never though anything of it.  The bubbles are at the largest the size of a standard sized ball point pen clicker. The bottom of the tank is SOFT :o in the area right around each bubble. I used a blunt probe to gently push on one and was suprised to see it push in a little bit.  If I  wanted to I bet I could've pushed a sharp pick right though the bottom although for all I know it was only soft for .10mm.  [roll]

IMHO this points to a membrane failure and ethenol seeping into the structure of the tank causing it to swell.

Has anyone read about one of them starting to leak?

I would love to cut one of these babies in half!

Mike


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: chris on July 26, 2009, 09:00:14 PM
It is not uncommon for bubbles to form along the inside of a rotationally molded product. Is the plastic "soft" only in the bubble and/or far away from the bubble? It would make sense to me if the bubble seemed soft, as nylon isn't a rigid material (which is why it is good for fuel tanks -- less prone to cracking).


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: exertus on July 28, 2009, 01:16:58 PM
Anyone know the specifics about the emissions warranty?  Is it 5 years, or x miles, which ever comes first? 

What would you expect for a warranty on the replacement tank?  And how would that time/mileage be calculated?  From what date?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: extra330 on July 28, 2009, 04:09:08 PM
The federal emissions warranty is 5 years.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on July 28, 2009, 04:27:08 PM
It is 5 years, irrespective of mileage.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: skurvy on July 28, 2009, 07:40:26 PM
06 S2R Dark
Shell 89 w/ethanol
2nd tank
with tank pad
ripples on top/sides
USA Mid Atlantic / Virginia

I'm on my second tank now. First one was changed out by the dealer under warranty around 12,xxx miles. I'm now at 21,xxx miles and the 2nd tank is now also showing some defects.

*UPDATE*

Here's a pic of what the 1st tank looked like at 12k:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/3768162176_b8e2a7d0f0.jpg)

I'm at 23k miles now, the bike is in the shop getting the 2nd tank replaced. Here's a pic of tank#2:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/3768206938_cef2f3a8ba.jpg)

I noticed the 2nd tank expanded and was rubbing against the ignition cover and wore through the dark paint.

So any suggestions on how to slow or prevent this from happening again? Will using Stabil make a difference? Will using another sort of heat shield under the tank help? Any fuel better than others? ALL the gas around here still contains 10% Ethanol.  >:(




Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on July 29, 2009, 05:56:28 AM
Above is exactally how mine is. did you just bring it to the dealer and they take care of it? I have contacted DNA but haven't received a reply yet. I also have contacted my local Duc shop speeds and plan on stopping by on saturday, and emailed the manager asking for any reccomendations.

If the tank was metal I wouldn't have a real issue with it as I could have these taken care of at a body shop but since its plastic there is nothing we can do and that is what really causes my frustration.  [bang]

also called DNA and spoke to a nice customer service rep. she told me that ducati is aware of this issue with the monsters and that its caused by the material used for the tanks. there is no perminant solution as of yet etc etc.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: pennyrobber on July 29, 2009, 08:48:36 AM
*UPDATE*

So any suggestions on how to slow or prevent this from happening again? Will using Stabil make a difference? Will using another sort of heat shield under the tank help? Any fuel better than others? ALL the gas around here still contains 10% Ethanol.  >:(

After getting my replacement tank put on, I installed some thin heat shield material under the tank on all the areas not covered by the little black pad. If you look under there, the area around the fuel pump is essentially exposed and is right above the rear cylinder and exhaust pipe. I figured since the knee cutouts were the worst part on my tank, maybe the direct heat in this area had something to do with it. The stuff I used is the thin aluminum and fiberglass shielding blanket with an adhesive backing. You can get it at auto performance shops and some moto shops. I have only had the new tank for about 6 months now so no word on if this actually makes a difference.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: skurvy on July 29, 2009, 12:01:03 PM
kumabull- When I noticed my second tank starting to deform, I casually brought it up with my service advisor knowing that getting a third tank out of warranty was a longshot, especially after speaking with DNA about it. With a little luck he was able to get it changed again under goodwill. After I pick it up I'll contact DNA again and see what they say about preventing it from happening again. I think I know what that answer will be.

pennyrobber- That heatshield stuff is exactly what I had in mind, especially seeing how many tanks this has affected on the right side only. My bike is usually stored in the shade under a cover but still only the right side gets damaged. I'll definitely try the heat shield, better than doing nothing, right?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on July 29, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
also called DNA and spoke to a nice customer service rep. she told me that ducati is aware of this issue with the monsters and that its caused by the material used for the tanks. there is no perminant solution as of yet etc etc.

Do you have a name?  That is a major admission if she said that. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on July 30, 2009, 02:52:39 AM
I dont but I will try and call again today and see if I can get a little more info when they open.
ie full name\email etc.
Thanks,

Charlie


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on July 30, 2009, 03:33:26 AM
Don't think the heat shield will address the pimple problem in the tank walls- I got them on the top as well as the lower left side.
BTW- one of the 4 complaints on the NHTSA for a 620 dark claimed that the fuel pump flange failed and dumped lots of gas on the ground. That's kinda scary. Heard of it happening to other brand plastic tank bikes too.
To sum it up- Ducati is reformulating & replacing tanks for the Sport Classic line because they banded together, filed a massive complaint the the NHTSA.
I'm not gonna accept a tank that'll last just until the 5 yr warrenty is up(less than 2 years from now for my june 2006 s2r). Can't even sell the thing in the current condition, or feel comfortable doing so until this issue is resolved.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: mitt on July 30, 2009, 04:25:32 AM

BTW- one of the 4 complaints on the NHTSA for a 620 dark claimed that the fuel pump flange failed and dumped lots of gas on the ground. That's kinda scary. Heard of it happening to other brand plastic tank bikes too.


That is scary, and completely believable seeing some of these pictures.

mitt


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on July 30, 2009, 05:10:00 AM
Another update:

Today I spoke with my dealer of which I sent photos too he said that mine was pretty bad and there going to call me back later hopefully with the approval for a tank replacement.

1 thing to note is according to him Ducati is now coating the tanks internally with a clear coating to prevent further distortion.

all very promising information.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: extra330 on July 30, 2009, 07:31:01 AM
For those who have registered a complaint with the NHTSA, did you have any problems entering your vin? The system kept rejecting my VIN. I check to make sure I read the # correctly (I did). A phone call to the NHTSA revealed that their computer system for what ever reason sometimes rejects motorcycle vin numbers. I was instructed to complete the report the mail a copy of my Vin along with the ODI # to the NHTSA.

I didn't see this mentioned so, am I the only one?

Mike


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on July 30, 2009, 07:53:27 AM
For those who have registered a complaint with the NHTSA, did you have any problems entering your vin? The system kept rejecting my VIN. I check to make sure I read the # correctly (I did). A phone call to the NHTSA revealed that their computer system for what ever reason sometimes rejects motorcycle vin numbers. I was instructed to complete the report the mail a copy of my Vin along with the ODI # to the NHTSA.

I didn't see this mentioned so, am I the only one?

Mike

What year/model is your bike?  I had no problem


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on July 30, 2009, 08:06:17 AM
DNA approved my replacement today. got a call from DucPond apparently there on critical order only, so im assuming Ducati is being bombarded right now.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on July 30, 2009, 08:09:08 AM
DNA approved my replacement today. got a call from DucPond apparently there on critical order only, so im assuming Ducati is being bombarded right now.

what is 'critical order' - only replacing the bad bad bad ones?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on July 30, 2009, 08:23:59 AM
No, like a back order deal, they are making new ones with a new coating inside. I'm just assuming a back log of replacements.

I cant really say enough about the service I received from the Duc dealer it was great! and it only took a few hours. for DNA to examine the photos I sent and approve. I was told that my tank is pretty bad though so they may be rushing it because of this..... I really don't know.

I really think that the dealership you go through has the ultimate say\motivation to get things moving though. they knew exactly what the issue was and have dealt with a few prior to me calling. He also noted that he received 2 more emails while he was working on mine pertaining to the same thing.

I did go through all the channels myself though
Called multiple dealers
Emailed and Called DNA myself
Took photos of the effected area myself
forwarded photos to dealer at which time they directly submitted for replacement under the emissions warranty.
Joined the list
and submitted a safety report.

Please note:
I am the second owner
The Bike is past the 2 yr warranty
3700 miles on Odo

Thanks,

C


 



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on July 30, 2009, 08:46:18 AM

Please note:
I am the second owner
The Bike is past the 2 yr warranty
3700 miles on Odo

well that doesn't matter, the original warranty is transferrable, as is the 5-year emissions warranty.

Good to know that you pushed all this stuff yourself and got good results.

I am suspicious of the "coating" you are are talking about, where did you hear this?

The problem with any coating is adhesion (as previously discussed).  Assuming the original material was made to be non-porous, then it is going to have to be an exotic substance to stick to it.



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on July 30, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
Oh i completely agree with the transferable warranty I just wanted to give my full circumstances for review. I am suspicious as well, but I specifically asked about what happens if I have the same issue. I was told there was something done to prevent the distortion occurring again. now I could be mistaken but he did say a coating. I don't really doubt my shop because they took care of me very fast and professionally but only time will tell. I will keep my fingers crossed. also I bought the bike from Florida where they have the E10 fuel I'm thinking this has something to do with it. here in the Baltimore washington corridor I believe we are standard gas still but I have my eye open to this phenomena. Im keeping my fingers crossed !

 [beer]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on July 30, 2009, 09:16:32 AM
here in the Baltimore washington corridor I believe we are standard gas still but I have my eye open to this phenomena. Im keeping my fingers crossed !

I'm in NoVA and all the gas in DC and the places I've seen on my way to B'more are E10.  Ethanol is pretty standard on the east coast, I think down south you'll see some pure gas, but not in the mid atlantic area


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on July 30, 2009, 09:19:48 AM
 :'(  seriously, that is no good. we shouldnt have to have E10, I could see FL but the mid atl\north east I learn something new all the time. Im going to track down a safe fuel and see if that helps with the issue.  [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: extra330 on July 30, 2009, 10:34:24 AM
E-10 is sold in almost every state . Some states do not even require the pumps to be labled that you are pumping  E-10

http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html (http://www.fuel-testers.com/state_guide_ethanol_laws.html)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: skurvy on July 31, 2009, 10:42:51 AM
Just got off the phone with DNA and asked if they can recommend doing anything to prevent damage happening again to the plastic fuel tanks. All she said was, "Ducati is aware of the fuel tank issue and is working on it." She went on saying that fuel tanks should be covered under the 5 year emissions systems warranty but it is up to the dealer to make the decision.

She did mention that Ducati is working on a fix and/or a new fuel tank. I had to make sure I heard her correctly. I then asked what if my replacement tank shows the same problems later on, will I be eligible for another "redesigned" tank. She said if I'm within the 5 year period BUT everything is dealt with on a case by case basis. (She said that at least 10 times throughout our conversation). She never gave me a straight answer about anything either stating they do not have a technical department for those types of questions.

I did find this though, www.goldeagle.com/brands/stabil/default.aspx (http://www.goldeagle.com/brands/stabil/default.aspx) , STA-BIL's site recommends using the marine formula for an ethanol treatment. FAQ section says it can be used in all motorcycles. There's also an interesting link titled, "The 411 on Ethanol".

The only thing the Ducati rep said was, "Check with your Ducati dealer to see what they recommend."


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: TAftonomos on August 02, 2009, 07:15:58 PM
Add me to the list.  When I bought my 07 S4R I though to myself...gee, this tank latch is really REALLY close to the ignition.  Now, after having the tank off the bike for the last 6 months, I go to re-install it.  Shit doesnt fit anymore at all.  Luckly I've got a metal tank that I've been messing with, but it isn't a permanent solution.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: TAftonomos on August 02, 2009, 07:28:48 PM
Wow, I've got to say WOW.

I emailed my dealer tonight, sunday midnight 30.

He sends me something back.  It's a warranty thing, bring it back and we'll replace it for you.

 [thumbsup]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: cdv478 on August 02, 2009, 08:59:49 PM
My dealer, Michael's of Reno, said "it's not a problem Ducati recognizes". Then the service writer came out with me and looked at my bike and saw how the tank mounts were sitting slightly outboard of where they should be on the frame. He has an '05 S2R, so I thought he would be more interested in my problem since it likely will happen to him too. I thought MAYBe they'd take measurements or pictures, or at least say they'd contact Ducati and find out what could be done. Instead, he said he'd have to look at his bike, then went to lunch, and never filed anything. My regular warranty expires Aug 4th.

This dealer's service is inexcusable. They had my bike for over four months to replace a wiring harness under warranty, so I should've known better than to expect anything productive from this visit. I'm calling DNA tomorrow.  I had good Ducati dealer experiences in San Diego and Tucson, and I'm glad to see that many people here have dealers that at least took action to try to resolve the situation.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 03, 2009, 04:27:50 AM
My dealer, Michael's of Reno, said "it's not a problem Ducati recognizes". Then the service writer came out with me and looked at my bike and saw how the tank mounts were sitting slightly outboard of where they should be on the frame. He has an '05 S2R, so I thought he would be more interested in my problem since it likely will happen to him too. I thought MAYBe they'd take measurements or pictures, or at least say they'd contact Ducati and find out what could be done. Instead, he said he'd have to look at his bike, then went to lunch, and never filed anything. My regular warranty expires Aug 4th.

This dealer's service is inexcusable. They had my bike for over four months to replace a wiring harness under warranty, so I should've known better than to expect anything productive from this visit. I'm calling DNA tomorrow.  I had good Ducati dealer experiences in San Diego and Tucson, and I'm glad to see that many people here have dealers that at least took action to try to resolve the situation.

The wiring replacement delay could be due to Bologna too, don't forget that.  As far as I know, it's a plug-n-play replacement besides the install, so unless they have it and just won't do it, I would look elsewhere.

Plenty of dealers haven't seen the problem yet, I would call Ducati NA as others have done above and talk to them and get them involved.  ALso, it may be a minor expansion so far so the dealer may not "see" it, unless you compare it to a brand new one.  Lots of possibilities.  Either way, it will come.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: m1moto on August 03, 2009, 06:46:49 AM
The local dealer called on Thursday to say that they have my tank in stock.
Less than 2 weeks from the day I showed them the tank.

I will find out more about the coating when I take it in for fitment.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on August 03, 2009, 11:46:27 AM
sounds like a temporary fix to placate you until your 5 yr warranty runs out in about a year and a half, then you're SOL.
...unforgivable.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: extra330 on August 04, 2009, 03:03:22 PM
sounds like a temporary fix to placate you until your 5 yr warranty runs out in about a year and a half, then you're SOL.
...unforgivable.

Yep, I sure hope my RS doesn't turn out to be my third and LAST Ducati I purchase..  :'(


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: exertus on August 04, 2009, 04:01:54 PM
I called and explained the tank problem to the new manager at our local Duc Dealer.  Took the bike in and had pictures taken and send to DNA.  I was told that I was just over the 20,000 mile mark, but that DNA agreed to replace the tank under good will.  Doesn't add up, because I thought the emissions warranty was 5 year unlimited mileage. 

Long explanation cut short, yes I just deleted it, the local dealer wants $100 for the tank replacement out of good will.  Something about a new warranty for 2 years on the new tank since I am supposedly over the 20,000 mile / 5 year emissions warranty.  Just doesn't add up. 

But DNA is going to replace the tank and it's already at the shop.  Just waiting for a schedule opening to get it replaced. 

I'm also told that there was a curing process defect in some of the first tanks.  (07 S2R bought in early 2007.)  That the manufacturing process has been taken care of and that the new tanks won't expand the way the first ones did.  Yet to be seen. 

I much prefer the metal tank.  The manager's story about problems with the metal tank, I never heard of.  I had the metal tank on my first Duc, and never had a problem. 

Oh, what was wrong with my plastic tank?  Mostly that it grew so much that I can't operate the tank latch by the ignition switch.  It's simply jammed tight.  If I left the tank up overnight, I bet I couldn't get it back down and latched ever again.  There are other minor signs that the tank grew, but I only noticed because of this board and I knew what to look for.  Anyway.  Good luck to the rest.  I'm getting a new tank installed in a couple of weeks. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Statler on August 04, 2009, 04:12:42 PM
might want to let DNA know about the dealer charging you one hundred bucks for approved warranty work.  Might want to let the dealer know that reputable dealers all over the country are getting tanks replaced and aren't pulling that shit.  But it depends on your cost/pain in ass ratio tolerance.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: chris on August 04, 2009, 08:48:28 PM
I just looked at my 2005 S2R and it would seem that the rubber bumpers don't fit the frame anymore. My tank was in dry storage for a couple years, so I'm probably an atypical 2005 plastic tank owner. My bike has 2800 miles. If it gets to where the tank is hitting the ignition, I'll talk to my dealer about it.

:) Chris


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 05, 2009, 04:47:17 AM
I called and explained the tank problem to the new manager at our local Duc Dealer.  Took the bike in and had pictures taken and send to DNA.  I was told that I was just over the 20,000 mile mark, but that DNA agreed to replace the tank under good will.  Doesn't add up, because I thought the emissions warranty was 5 year unlimited mileage. 

it's not unlimited mileage

Quote
Ducati North America, Inc., 10443 Bandley Drive Cupertino, California, 95014 warrants that each new 1998 and later Ducati motorcycle, that includes as standard equipment a headlight, tail-light and stoplight, and is street legal:

A) is designed, built and equipped so as to conform at the time of initial retail purchase with all applicable regulations of the United States Environmental Protection Agency, and the California Air Resources Board; and B) is free from defects in material and workmanship which cause such motorcycle to fail to conform with applicable regulations of the United States Environmental Protection Agency or the California Air Resources Board for a period of use, depending on the engine displacement, ... or of 30,000 kilometers (18,641 miles), if the motorcycle's engine displacement is 280 cubic centimeters or greater; or 5 (five) years from the date of initial retail delivery, whichever first occurs.

18,641 miles or 5 years, which ever comes first.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: MAXdB on August 07, 2009, 05:15:49 PM
Just to give everyone an update:

I just got my tank replaced! :) You guys should go see Allen at Spectrum Ducati..


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: exertus on August 07, 2009, 06:36:53 PM
it's not unlimited mileage

18,641 miles or 5 years, which ever comes first.

Where did you find that info from DNA?  Is it online somewhere? 

Is there another warranty on the replacement tank?  5 years or 30000 kilometers from date of replacement?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on August 08, 2009, 02:50:11 AM
Where did you find that info from DNA?  Is it online somewhere? 

Is there another warranty on the replacement tank?  5 years or 30000 kilometers from date of replacement?

It's in your warrenty manual- I suggest you read Shyster's above sticky and sign on then file a complaint. Ducati isn't gonna offer a full recall for every monster(what alot of people are holding out for)- they haven't done it w/ the SC's and they got problems(ducati.ms).
I'm pleasently suprised they agreed to fix your tank for only $100- even though the fact that your 2 year old tank needs replacing is crap and should be free.
Warrenty for replacements? That's a good question- I hope you can get an answer and let us know( I think that's what alot of people are holding out for too), as your dealer sounds like they are concerned for their customers.
 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 08, 2009, 04:27:16 AM
Where did you find that info from DNA?  Is it online somewhere? 

Is there another warranty on the replacement tank?  5 years or 30000 kilometers from date of replacement?

read your owner's manual.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: exertus on August 08, 2009, 01:10:03 PM
It's in your warrenty manual- I suggest you read Shyster's above sticky and sign on then file a complaint. Ducati isn't gonna offer a full recall for every monster(what alot of people are holding out for)- they haven't done it w/ the SC's and they got problems(ducati.ms).
I'm pleasently suprised they agreed to fix your tank for only $100- even though the fact that your 2 year old tank needs replacing is crap and should be free.
Warrenty for replacements? That's a good question- I hope you can get an answer and let us know( I think that's what alot of people are holding out for too), as your dealer sounds like they are concerned for their customers.
 

I thought the 18641 miles number thrown out was a really odd number.  Was just over that mileage, but the tank didn't grow at 18642 miles and I was still under 19000 miles when I realized the problem and took it in, so...

Lost the manual in some moving boxes.  So thanks Shyster and J.P. for clarifying for me. 

The idea with the $100, is that I'm paying something for the tank, and that it would then come with some warranty as a replacement part.  If I pay nothing, then it is a good will or warranty replacement that doesn't come with any warranty of it's own.  Sounds good to me.  Just wanted to see if it makes sense to others. 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 08, 2009, 03:48:15 PM
The mileage number is converted from km which is why the oddball number.

Buying the part and getting a warranyt is a great idea IF it is for a decent duration!  Like 2 -3 years


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on August 08, 2009, 04:44:50 PM
Too bad the tanks seem to go to crap just after 2 y.o.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: exertus on August 08, 2009, 06:25:29 PM
Too bad the tanks seem to go to crap just after 2 y.o.

Anyone have good experience with a metal tank as the plastic tank replacement?  Carbon Fiber tank?  Yeah or nah?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 08, 2009, 06:42:17 PM
Anyone have good experience with a metal tank as the plastic tank replacement?  Carbon Fiber tank?  Yeah or nah?

ETI makes a kevlar replacement but not available yet for the EFI bikes.

I don't know of a metal tank replacement for the S bikes.  Some will come out, but nothing yet.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Paegelow on August 10, 2009, 02:09:51 PM
I finally got some feedback from my dealer.  My bike is under the Ever-Red warranty now, the factory warranty ran out in January.  Anyway the guy said Ducati will cover part of the cost of the tank under the Ever-Red warranty.  I guess Ducati is covering something like $1500 worth of it, and the tank cost the dealer $1600 something, so the dealer is losing like $100 to take care of it.

This doesn't really make any sense to me, since my bike is definitely still covered by the emissions warranty.  I tried to explain this to my dealer but I didn't really get anywhere.  They're not charging me at least though, so I'm happy.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: PizzaMonster on August 10, 2009, 05:39:54 PM
Earlier this year I said that I hadn't noticed any problem with the tank on my '07 S2R800.  Now I'm not so sure.

The problem I'm having seems to be a little different than everyone else's but I think its tank related as well.  I pulled my seat off tonight and when I went to put it back on I couldn't get the front tabs to fit in their slots and the latch at the back seemed to be about 1/2 an inch too far forward.  This seat has always just "fallen" really easily into place.  Now the only way I can get it to latch is to slam it hard into the tank and force it down on the rear latch.  At first I thought something had moved under the seat but now I'm pretty sure the tank is too wide for the front of the seat to slide around it easily. 

Also noticed today that the triple now hits the left side of the tank.  I'm thinking it's more than just the steering stop backing out a bit.

The tank still looks great cosmetically.

So...should I add my name to the list of tank refugees...?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 10, 2009, 05:41:41 PM
Earlier this year I said that I hadn't noticed any problem with the tank on my '07 S2R800.  Now I'm not so sure.

The problem I'm having seems to be a little different than everyone else's but I think its tank related as well.  I pulled my seat off tonight and when I went to put it back on I couldn't get the front tabs to fit in their slots and the latch at the back seemed to be about 1/2 an inch too far forward.  This seat has always just "fallen" really easily into place.  Now the only way I can get it to latch is to slam it hard into the tank and force it down on the rear latch.  At first I thought something had moved under the seat but now I'm pretty sure the tank is too wide for the front of the seat to slide around it easily. 

Also noticed today that the triple now hits the left side of the tank.  I'm thinking it's more than just the steering stop backing out a bit.

The tank still looks great cosmetically.

So...should I add my name to the list of tank refugees...?

latch at the back?  there is only the buckle latch on the front (under the key switch) and a hinge on the back.

but it does sound like you have expansion.

look at the rubbers on the bottom of the tank when it is closed and clamped down -- are they lined up perfectly?  THey are U shaped and the open part should cover the frame evenly.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: NorDog on August 11, 2009, 06:53:09 AM
FTR: 30,000 kilometers = 18,641.135767 miles.   ;)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Statler on August 11, 2009, 07:07:04 AM
Earlier this year I said that I hadn't noticed any problem with the tank on my '07 S2R800.  Now I'm not so sure.

The problem I'm having seems to be a little different than everyone else's but I think its tank related as well.  I pulled my seat off tonight and when I went to put it back on I couldn't get the front tabs to fit in their slots and the latch at the back seemed to be about 1/2 an inch too far forward.  This seat has always just "fallen" really easily into place.  Now the only way I can get it to latch is to slam it hard into the tank and force it down on the rear latch.  At first I thought something had moved under the seat but now I'm pretty sure the tank is too wide for the front of the seat to slide around it easily. 

Also noticed today that the triple now hits the left side of the tank.  I'm thinking it's more than just the steering stop backing out a bit.

The tank still looks great cosmetically.

So...should I add my name to the list of tank refugees...?

yup...you're expanding.   I was backing out the steering stops thinking I was crazy or they were loosening.   nope.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on August 11, 2009, 07:50:51 AM
just an update.

Tank replaced over the weekend by the good guys at DucPond in VA

Time from contact to them to replacement under a week.

P.S I'm running Sta-Bil from now on every fill up just to be on the safe side and a little preventative protection from the ethonol ......GRRRRRRRRR. works out to about an extra 1.50 a tank though so we shall see.

PS2. "I'm also told that there was a curing process defect in some of the first tanks.  (07 S2R bought in early 2007.)  That the manufacturing process has been taken care of and that the new tanks won't expand the way the first ones did.  Yet to be seen. " Did the dealer or DNA say this?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 11, 2009, 08:16:34 AM
PS2. "I'm also told that there was a curing process defect in some of the first tanks.  (07 S2R bought in early 2007.)  That the manufacturing process has been taken care of and that the new tanks won't expand the way the first ones did.  Yet to be seen. " Did the dealer or DNA say this?

that sounds specious, unless somehow the curing process is specific to ethanol.

as i mentioned before, there are NO reports of this happening outside the USA that I know of, and I have spoken personally with about 30 folks across UK, Germany, Italy, Australia and Japan to date thru clubs.  No one has heard of this problem in those places.

If it was a curing problem, i would expect it to happen no matter what kind of gas was being used.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on August 12, 2009, 09:58:11 AM
that PS2 is from page 15 im asking who said that ??


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 12, 2009, 10:07:47 AM
that PS2 is from page 15 im asking who said that ??


lol sorry.. i didn't register that..  to answer, i do not know.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: kumabull on August 13, 2009, 03:01:30 AM
no worries mate  [beer]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on August 13, 2009, 01:25:42 PM
OK- to sum up what us customers are being told:

-There was a problem w/ the curing process on early tanks(even though it effects all years).

-Ducati is aware of the problem and is working on a fix.

-Ducati/tank producer is spraying a coating inside the tanks as a fix.

-There is no problem(in my case).

Hmmm. Too bad Italy is closed for August. I'd love to hear some new ones.

-JP


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: skurvy on August 13, 2009, 07:01:40 PM
So here's what I sent DNA:
Questions or Comments: I recently had my fuel tank replaced due to problems with fitment and deformations in the plastic. Is there anything that can be done to prevent this from happening again? I have called Ducati North America and Rachel informed me that Ducati is aware of this issue and may be a redesigning a fuel tank for the US market. One explanation is that the E10 fuel could be the cause of these problems. Ethanol in the fuel can be the cause of deformations in plastic fuel tanks. I have asked the dealership where I bought the bike, XXX, if they can recommend anything. Neither the GSM nor Service/Parts staff had any answers. I have had all my services done at that dealership and my service advisor, XXX, has always gone above and beyond all the other service writers to make sure everything is taken care of when it comes to fixing my Ducati. My main concern is what if these problems with the fuel tank return? Would I still be eligible for a "redesigned US spec" tank if and when it becomes available?

And here's their reply:
Thank you for contacting Ducati North America.
 
We are sorry to learn of the concern you have experienced with your Ducati SportClassic.  We can assure you that Ducati is aware of this concern regarding your fuel tank.  Please understand, issues that arise outside the period of the 2 year factory warranty are dealt with on a case by case basis.  If you should have any further concerns, it will be necessary to have your motorcycle inspected by an authorized Ducati dealership.
 
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us or an Authorized Ducati Dealership. To find an Authorized Ducati Dealership, please visit www.ducatiusa.com (http://) and click on "Dealer Locator" or utilize our dealer locator by phoning 1-800-231-6696.
 
Best regards,
 
Customer Service
DUCATI North America
10443 Bandley Drive
Cupertino, CA  95014
www.ducatiusa.com (http://)
Tel: (408) 253-0499 x4411
Fax: (408)253-4099

Funny my bike turned into a Sport Classic even though I gave them my VIN# and entered "Monster - S2R Dark" in the drop down menus when you fill out the form...

Thanks DNA  [roll]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: exertus on August 14, 2009, 02:15:55 PM


PS2. "I'm also told that there was a curing process defect in some of the first tanks.  (07 S2R bought in early 2007.)  That the manufacturing process has been taken care of and that the new tanks won't expand the way the first ones did.  Yet to be seen. " Did the dealer or DNA say this?

Dealer


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: hillbillypolack on August 16, 2009, 06:40:41 PM
Just as someone getting information on what's happening, can someone point out the specific examples of what this entails?  Meaning is the tank out of tolerance?  Twisting so that one of the front rubbers isn't contacting the frame?  Dimples?  Ability to close the front clasp?  Noticeable bulges?

Yes, I did a search, looked for images (someone please post images, it goes a long way).  If the group here can collect any dimensional information, collect a number of images, or further reflect instance-by-instance manufacturer damages, we'll have a better way of settling this through Ducati.

I personally didn't know this could be an issue, and attributed the right-side tank mount "float" to Italian build variation.  Still do, since I run 92-94 octane gas.  God knows what else they allow in Michigan gasoline, but so far (knock wood, harken St. Christopher), my tank seems to be somewhat okay.

So far.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 17, 2009, 02:25:01 AM
Just as someone getting information on what's happening, can someone point out the specific examples of what this entails?  Meaning is the tank out of tolerance?  Twisting so that one of the front rubbers isn't contacting the frame?  Dimples?  Ability to close the front clasp?  Noticeable bulges?

Yes, I did a search, looked for images (someone please post images, it goes a long way).  If the group here can collect any dimensional information, collect a number of images, or further reflect instance-by-instance manufacturer damages, we'll have a better way of settling this through Ducati.

I personally didn't know this could be an issue, and attributed the right-side tank mount "float" to Italian build variation.  Still do, since I run 92-94 octane gas.  God knows what else they allow in Michigan gasoline, but so far (knock wood, harken St. Christopher), my tank seems to be somewhat okay.

So far.

There are more than a few pics posted.  The main problems seem to be rippling on the sides (where the scoops are), pressing against the keyswitch, and the frame-rest rubber bumpers no longer sit on the frame. The bumpers are the biggest tipoff to the expansion as they are U-shaped and meant to line up directly.  Mine are now out of line and no long can full contact.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: achilles129 on August 19, 2009, 08:25:34 AM
Took my 2006 M620 in for service, and was told by dealer they noticed my tank expansion was the worst case they'd seen. It's been over time, so all the issues associated with it (little clearance on front tank latch, handlebar contact, etc) only clicked when he explained the expansion problem. After two days, DNA approved a replacement. It's in the shop now, but other than an anxious two day wait, it's been pretty painless.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: NorDog on August 19, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
Well, I finally joined the ranks of the Swollen Tank Corps.

The mount for my DP steering damper is digging into the tank on font right side.

Just spoke to my local service manager and he said to swing by.  He also said that since I still have an active manufactuer's warrantee I need only swing by to have some photos taken and that he would call me when my tank shows up.

Keeping my fingers crossed.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: arai_speed on August 19, 2009, 02:36:02 PM
As a side note for anyone getting a new tank - you can talk to your dealer when putting in the claim and get a different color tank if that floats your boat.

I was offered a different color when waiting for my Pearl White which I kindly declined.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: extra330 on August 22, 2009, 06:34:43 AM
Just as a point of interest, my new tank is installed and WOW. My old tank was hitting the controls on both the left and right side at full lock, now I have almost a 3/8" gap plus the latch now works. It's amazing how much the old tank had grown. I'll be keeping track of this one for sure.  [moto]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: J.P. on August 22, 2009, 01:50:36 PM
Check out "Anglers" pics, pg 6, in the above sticky- that's an '05 (<4 years old).
Totally unforgivable.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: superjohn on September 03, 2009, 02:45:39 AM
I start thinking I'm paranoid after reading this thread and want to be sure I'm seeing the same issue.

Check out these pics of my tank and tell me if it looks like I have a swelling issue, or just normal fitment problems.

(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/superjohn_rtp/IMG_1629.jpg)

(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/superjohn_rtp/IMG_1630.jpg)

(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q85/superjohn_rtp/IMG_1631.jpg)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: NorDog on September 03, 2009, 07:30:51 AM
I start thinking I'm paranoid after reading this thread and want to be sure I'm seeing the same issue.

Check out these pics of my tank and tell me if it looks like I have a swelling issue, or just normal fitment problems.

Swelling.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: mitt on September 03, 2009, 08:04:38 AM
Swelling.

+1 - It seems minor side to side (your bumpers are not terrible), but looks pretty major lengthwise - your ignition is touching the hold down clasp.

Can you still undo the clasp and raise your tank?

mitt


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on September 03, 2009, 08:25:50 AM
I start thinking I'm paranoid after reading this thread and want to be sure I'm seeing the same issue.

Check out these pics of my tank and tell me if it looks like I have a swelling issue, or just normal fitment problems.

there is no such thing as "normal fitment problems!"

looks like your tank is in the early stages.  the frame bumpers are off by about 1/4 inch.  mine are off by about 1/2 inch.  the front looks like it is pressing, but you can still operate the latch -- i couldn't even get the latch closed anymore.

definitely swelling.  i would wait a month and then take it when the swelling is much worse because right now it is sort of marginal.

make sure to sign up on the mailing list (see first post) and file a NHTSA report after you take it to a dealer for inspection.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on September 03, 2009, 08:26:41 AM
+1 - It seems minor side to side (your bumpers are not terrible), but looks pretty major lengthwise - your ignition is touching the hold down clasp.

Can you still undo the clasp and raise your tank?

mitt

it looks like he can, mine got so bad the latch was on top of the key switch rim.  i had to remove the latch mechanism to lower the tank all the way.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: pennyrobber on September 03, 2009, 08:53:02 AM
I start thinking I'm paranoid after reading this thread and want to be sure I'm seeing the same issue.

Check out these pics of my tank and tell me if it looks like I have a swelling issue, or just normal fitment problems.

My tank was a little worse off when replaced, but you pretty much have the regular symptoms.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: superjohn on September 03, 2009, 08:57:27 AM
Drat, that's what I thought. I have signed up on the list.

I can get the latch closed, but I have to put my hand in under the front and finnagle it a bit.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: NorDog on September 03, 2009, 09:40:12 AM
make sure to sign up on the mailing list (see first post) and file a NHTSA report after you take it to a dealer for inspection.

What this about a NHTSA report?  What's the for?  How does one file it?


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on September 03, 2009, 10:14:23 AM
What this about a NHTSA report?  What's the for?  How does one file it?

Are you on my mailing list?  If so, I have sent out instructions.

Basically, NHTSA keeps track of problems in motor vehicles and if there is a trend, they can force the manufacturer to initiate a recall (they usually ask them nicely first...)

You should have the tank looked at by a dealer first.

The incident report takes about 5 minutes to finish depending on how much detail you put in the description section.  Basically, describe the tank's condition and provide your info, vin, etc.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/



Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: smooth on September 06, 2009, 05:29:53 AM
I start thinking I'm paranoid after reading this thread and want to be sure I'm seeing the same issue.

Check out these pics of my tank and tell me if it looks like I have a swelling issue, or just normal fitment problems.


Thanks for posting those pics, superjohn. I was concerned about my S4RS. My tank looks just like yours in regards to the swelling, but it still "fits" and doesn't show massive swelling on the sides. I was hoping mine was fine, just hard to get the latch to work. I can't exactly remember how it fit when new, but I have a hard time getting the latch closed now. Ducatiz, I'll add my name to the list. Thanks for putting this together.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: jesse370 on September 06, 2009, 06:45:15 AM
Mine fits, but it has dimples and waves in it.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: JustDucky on September 08, 2009, 11:05:46 PM
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.  I've been avoiding this thread - ignorance is bliss.  But now that I'm educated I've filled out the survey.  I'll file a NHTSA complaint shortly.

The bike is a '07 S4Rs, about 3500 miles. Always garage kept in a climate controlled garage.  Left bumper offset to the outboard side of the frame tube.  Latch hits ignition.  Its been a while since I tried to operate it and I'm not in the mood for any unnecessary aggravation.  Last time I had the tank up relatching it sucked.  Didn't realize it could be related to anything other Italian "character."  Minor waves are present but I'm sensitive to that stuff.  The waves are not nearly as bad as the pics here.  I can't say about any steering lock issues as I'm running clip ons that were adjusted to clear the tank when I put them on but I'll watch for changes in the already tight tolerance.

And I agree with the soft paint.  I've had scratches develop seemingly from just my pant legs as well. I guess while moving around on the bike from side to side?  

Guess I'll be looking into a warranty tank soon too.

Still love the bike! The miles don't show how much I love to ride this thing but the fact that I've driven 7 hours at least once a month ( 2 or 3x on a great month) since April to the N Georgia mountains just to get the bike to the roads it deserves should say something.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Desert Dust on February 28, 2010, 05:41:19 PM
07 S2R 1K

Dimples on the fuel tank.

Latch doesn't fuction properly.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: KG4KGL on May 15, 2010, 05:57:19 AM
05 S2R Dark

dimples on top of tank.
Tank does not sit on frame properly
bulge on lower rear right side.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: bmonty72 on August 29, 2010, 08:58:45 AM
2006 S2R 800


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Desert Dust on August 29, 2010, 11:27:11 AM
My tank will be replaced soon, but it is my understanding that Ducati replaces the defective tank with new tank that has the same qualities and characteristics that caused the original tank to become expanded and defective.

What if Toyota replaced their faulty, sticking throttle linkage with another faulty, sticking throttle linkage?

Doesn't Ducati get it? The concept is to eliminate the problem, not to continue with the same manufacturing process that caused the problem in the first place.

Is there anything that Ducati owners, as a group, could do to change Ducati's way of thinking on this?


   


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on August 29, 2010, 11:36:47 AM

Check the other thread that is stickied.

Get on the email list.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Desert Dust on August 29, 2010, 01:12:30 PM
I'm relatively new to this forum. What other thread is "stickied?"


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducpainter on August 29, 2010, 01:44:19 PM
I'm relatively new to this forum. What other thread is "stickied?"
http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25074.0 (http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25074.0)


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: herm on August 29, 2010, 01:52:59 PM
this one..

http://ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=25074.0

dammit, the old curmudgeon is faster than me.. [bang]


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Desert Dust on August 30, 2010, 01:57:59 AM
Thanks.......... I'm signed up


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: seevtsaab on August 30, 2010, 03:59:05 AM
I had noticed some expansion late last year, think I sighned up but never 'registered' took pics etc.

Been using non-ethanol this year whenever possible and noticed my tank 'back to normal' (tank pads resting quare on frame again).
Non-Ethanol no longer available (in VT afaik) - so, I'll continue to keep an eye on it.

Excellent info from Ducatiz re: cause of expansion (nylon absorbing water that is absorbed by ethanol).


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Desert Dust on November 26, 2010, 08:09:39 PM
Had my plastic tank replaced today on my 07 S2R 1K. Ironically, I was about 5 miles from the dealer on a busy 4 lane freeway when my bike shut down due to fueling issues. Luckily, I was able to coast to the side of the road. Once stopped, I sloshed the fuel around and got it going again. The service manager said that my bike most likely stalled because of debris inside the tank caused by the expansion.

Ducati needs to get its act together on these plastic tanks.


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: Piller on November 26, 2010, 10:25:25 PM
so is every new tank I get going to expand?  Should I get a different model?  Don't the new ducati's all have plastic tanks? 


Title: Re: POLL: Plastic tank problems
Post by: ducatiz on November 27, 2010, 05:36:41 AM
so is every new tank I get going to expand?  Should I get a different model?  Don't the new ducati's all have plastic tanks? 

Holy shit, I thought you had been sacrificed to Mayan gods or something.

Currently, the new tanks are the same material and are just as likely to expand.

The coatings work, but that's on your own dime.  If you get the inside coated, it will not expand.

The SBKs that are used for homologation in WSBK have aluminum tanks.  All the other bikes have nylon tanks.


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